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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Haha, bullseye isn't it?
    Iran has engaged in wars through proxy, through Hezbollah, engaged in terrorism through proxy.
    So what difference does that make?
    Now Israel? Israel never initiated a single damned war. Sure it may have attacked first at some of the events, but it didn't initiate the aggression.
    Never ever ever ever.
    israel attacks "pre-emptively"
    got it
    so, why should iran not be concerned about an israel which would also attack iran pre-emptively with a nuclear weapon
    post 194 lists the multitude of threats against iran by israeli officials
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok my man, after numerous posts pointing out that MY PREFERENCE IS THAT NOBODY have nuclear weapons, you must stop falsely accusing me of wanting Iran to develop nuclear capabilities (other then of civilian/commercial nature) it is my preference that Iran does not develop one, and my further wish that the rest of the nuclear powers eliminate their stockpiles, or I will stop responding to you, which would probably be your objective given the uncomfortably hypocritical view you have of nuclear weapons possession.
    My view isn't hypocritical in any way and it isn't my objective to stop you from posting mate.
    I'm merely pointing out the dishonesty in suggesting that you aren't holding the opinion that Iran should be allowed to gain nukes when all you did so far is to point out that if it's legitimate for the free world to possess nukes then the same goes for Iran.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    israel attacks "pre-emptively"
    got it
    No you haven't got it, apparently you have strong issues with accepting history when it isn't in line with your arguments.
    Did Israel ever initiate aggression? Nope, never. Is attacking a nation that is organizing its troops to launch an attack against you - initiating aggression? Not at the slightest I'm afraid. But that's just common sense, don't let it get in your way.

    so, why should iran not be concerned about an israel which would also attack iran pre-emptively with a nuclear weapon
    post 194 lists the multitude of threats against iran by israeli officials
    Why would Israel attack Iran pre-emptively if Iran isn't going to attack it?
    As I said several times before now you fail to recognize the basic truth that Iran was the one that initiated the hostilities with Israel and not the other way around. It was Iran, not Israel, that got up one day and decided that Israel is the enemy and that it must be destroyed. Period.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    My view isn't hypocritical in any way and it isn't my objective to stop you from posting mate.
    I'm merely pointing out the dishonesty in suggesting that you aren't holding the opinion that Iran should be allowed to gain nukes when all you did so far is to point out that if it's legitimate for the free world to possess nukes then the same goes for Iran.
    If talks fail, what actions should the P+5 take? Russia may not agree to all of them, but what the heck.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    If talks fail, what actions should the P+5 take? Russia may not agree to all of them, but what the heck.
    I'm one of those that believe the issue can be solved diplomatically.
    Meaning, stronger sanctions.
    So far the sanctions have had a great effect on Iran's progress, up until the point when the P+5 had decided to ease them up.
    If talks fail - stronger sanctions, save the military option as the last resort.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    here is what was presented by a former prime minister of israel:

    Hezbollah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    that's nice. I recommend you go study the Amalist movement.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I have pointed out that both Israel and the US in the course of history have treated Iran dishonourably, and as such haven't the credibility to be pointing fingers.
    You may have asserted that. But I don't care what you think about how this country's morality compares to that of Khomeinist Iran. I don't want to hear, still one more time, the tired leftist lie that the U.S. brought all this on itself way back in 1953, when it sided with Reza Pahlavi--who had already been Iran's king for a decade--against a crackpot political enemy named Mohammed Mossadegh because he had gotten too cozy with communists. That is only an earlier version of the leftist slander that the U.S. brought 9/11 on itself--whether Jeremiah Wright's claim that it was just America's chickens coming home to roost, or Ward Churchill's equally disgusting comparison of the people murdered at the World Trade Center to the Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann.

    The simple fact is that you are sticking up for the evil pack of Jew-hating Islamic jihadists in Tehran that is doing all it can to acquire nuclear weapons. That regime has always been a strong supporter of terrorism. It is the enemy of both Israel and the United States, with the blood of thousands of Americans on its hands. And yet you continue to do all you can here to defend the Khomeinists and other Islamic jihadists, wherever they may be. That makes your repeated protestations that you are politically neutral and support your country ring hollow. I doubt you are selling anyone here on that. You've made clear that you are willing to let the enemies of the U.S. do whatever they please--that you would not favor the use of force to defend your own country. Thank God there were very few Americans who subscribed to those views in December, 1941.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    israel attacks "pre-emptively"
    That is correct. For example, if I swing at you, and you step forward to block, you have pre-emptively struck me - you have pre-empted my strike. As you should.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    You may have asserted that. But I don't care what you think about how this country's morality compares to that of Khomeinist Iran. I don't want to hear, still one more time, the tired leftist lie that the U.S. brought all this on itself way back in 1953, when it sided with Reza Pahlavi--who had already been Iran's king for a decade--against a crackpot political enemy named Mohammed Mossadegh because he had gotten too cozy with communists. That is only an earlier version of the leftist slander that the U.S. brought 9/11 on itself--whether Jeremiah Wright's claim that it was just America's chickens coming home to roost, or Ward Churchill's equally disgusting comparison of the people murdered at the World Trade Center to the Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann.

    The simple fact is that you are sticking up for the evil pack of Jew-hating Islamic jihadists in Tehran that is doing all it can to acquire nuclear weapons. That regime has always been a strong supporter of terrorism. It is the enemy of both Israel and the United States, with the blood of thousands of Americans on its hands. And yet you continue to do all you can here to defend the Khomeinists and other Islamic jihadists, wherever they may be. That makes your repeated protestations that you are politically neutral and support your country ring hollow. I doubt you are selling anyone here on that. You've made clear that you are willing to let the enemies of the U.S. do whatever they please--that you would not favor the use of force to defend your own country. Thank God there were very few Americans who subscribed to those views in December, 1941.
    There are people on both the far left and the far right who devote so much of their energies to the notion that the U.S. is bad, that they have difficulty with the concept that anyone else can be.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So no proof that Iran is the worlds chief supporter of terrorism, ok. 70 years ago, or seven years ago, the US remains the sole country to use a nuclear weapon on civilian targets, something you would INSIST would be an act of terrorism were Russia or China or Iran to do it. You're on the list with the other hypocritical.
    When did he say they were the world's chief supporter of terrorism?
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