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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons entered into force in 1970. All countries that already possessed nuclear weapons were allowed to retain them: United States, France, United Kingdom, Soviet Union, People's Republic of China. All other signatoriies have agreed not to develop nuclear weapons. Iran has signed the treaty. India, Israel, and Pakistan have not, and so are not bound by it. North Korea withdrew from the treaty in 2003.

    So, by treaty, all countries that currently have nukes are either allowed to have them under the Non-Proliferation treaty, or are not signatories. Iran is a signatory and in violation of the treaty.
    Oh really? Iran has a nuclear weapon, I'd love to see the proof, I'll be waiting.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If the "free world" has come to some morally superior position that nuclear weapons ought not ever be used again, then why have they not eliminated their stockpiles, hmm??
    Trust issues obviously.
    We're both for eliminating the stockpile of nukes in the entire world, but while you're being delusional about it I can see that no Western state is going to give up on its nuclear capabilities as long as it doesn't know for certain that some hostile state in the future wouldn't try and put its hands on some of their own.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Trust issues obviously.
    We're both for eliminating the stockpile of nukes in the entire world, but while you're being delusional about it I can see that no Western state is going to give up on its nuclear capabilities as long as it doesn't know for certain that some hostile state in the future wouldn't try and put its hands on some of their own.
    and you have just established the legitimacy of iran's rationale for developing its own nuclear weapons
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    MAD does not work as far as I'm concerned.

    Besides which MAD by its very natures requires

    1) Considering the other side to be equals. Something I'm not prepared to extend to Iran
    2) Believing the other side will act reasonably. Again, not something I'm going to consider Iran.

    And who cares if our weapons are offensive? The U.S. can't be defended without them.
    Ok, MAD either works or it doesn't. I'm going to be more concerned about a country that actually has a history of using nuclear weapons, then getting all worked up about a hypothetical with Iran, carry on.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh really? Iran has a nuclear weapon, I'd love to see the proof, I'll be waiting.
    What are you talking about? Who said Iran has a nuclear weapon, and why are you responding to me about it?
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Trust issues obviously.
    We're both for eliminating the stockpile of nukes in the entire world, but while you're being delusional about it I can see that no Western state is going to give up on its nuclear capabilities as long as it doesn't know for certain that some hostile state in the future wouldn't try and put its hands on some of their own.
    Ok, so we need to continue a bad idea because we think someday somebody else may attempt a bad idea, speak of delusional.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm not promoting any "agenda" I'm pointing out that decades of destructive US policies in Iran and the region are having grave consequences. And a 2006, Bush era NIE concluded such.
    If you're not promoting the Iranian agenda then cease arguing in favor of allowing Iran to gain nuclear capabilities because that's all you've been doing so far. When you try to legitimize the Iranians having these capabilities you are doing exactly that.
    Iran should never be and will never be allowed to gain these capabilities.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    If you're not promoting the Iranian agenda then cease arguing in favor of allowing Iran to gain nuclear capabilities because that's all you've been doing so far. When you try to legitimize the Iranians having these capabilities you are doing exactly that.
    Iran should never be and will never be allowed to gain these capabilities.
    why should iran be denied the ability to counter the presence of israeli nuclear arms?
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, so we need to continue a bad idea because we think someday somebody else may attempt a bad idea, speak of delusional.
    Yes that's exactly the 'delusional' I have spoken of.
    If you honestly believe that if tomorrow the entire Western world + Pakistan will get rid of their nuclear capabilities then that's the last we've seen of nukes, then you're being absurdly delusional.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Then you have strong reading comprehension problems because I pointed out how irrelevant whether Hezbollah was formed due to Israeli actions or not is, to the fact that Hezbollah is an Iranian proxy terror organization. Please do give it your best and try to understand the text better, if only for one more time.
    Not sure what that jibberish means.
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