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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

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    again, NO instance of an atomic weapon used upon an enemy since nagasaki in august '45
    please explain why that was NOT MAD at work
    Never said it was- But human - computer error is reassuring.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Please stick to the topic.

    I said NOTHING about Israel and do not intend to. I refuse to get into your constant diversions of comparison based on your faulty ideas of history. If you cannot debate properly, don't.

    you have supported your president without hesitation in his helping of Iran's nuclear development program while ignoring the facts that Iran is a rogue state, sworn to the destruction of it's neighbor with hostile intentions in the west. That Canada, the "nice country" is in a cold war with them and yet with Obama's insane track record of loss after loss after loss after failure, you still niavely believe Iran's intentions are honorable.

    And then defend your position with more comparative reductivism as a defense.
    I disagree with your characterisation of the work of the P5+1 as helping with Iran's nuclear program. They are about preventing Iran from developing nuclear capabilities for anything other than civilian/commercial purposes, and neither you nor anyone else can prove your silly assertion that Obama, and by extension, the P5+1 are intent on helping Iran develop a nuclear weapon. And where have I argued that Iran's intentions are honourable? Huh? I have pointed out that both Israel and the US in the course of history have treated Iran dishonourably, and as such haven't the credibility to be pointing fingers.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    The Russians did not have a reliable nuclear arsenal they could deliver against the U.S. until 1964 with their first decent ICBMs.
    President Kennedy and his advisers did not agree with you. In October 1962, they took it for granted that the Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba could have been delivered against many cities in the U.S. The nuclear weapons stored in Cuba included sixty one-megaton warheads. Thirty-six of these were for the R-12 missiles there, which had a range of about 1,200 miles. Another twenty-four of these warheads were for the R-14 missiles, which had a range of about 2,800 miles.

    Both these types of missiles could be expected to miss their aim points by a mile or two--but if that aim point was the heart of a large American city, nuclear explosions that large would have killed quite a few millions of Americans.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Even if true taking out those who are aiding the Iranian regime to gain nuclear capabilities is extremely legitimate.
    You don't seem to understand the nature of the Iranian government.
    "Taking out"??????? If you can justify Israel assassinating Iranians in Iran, then why would you condemn Iran doing similar, if by proxy. Wouldn't it be better if nobody were assassinating anybody. Wouldn't policies that promote cooperation, peace and prosperity be preferred to things like our 1953 CIA conducted Iranian coup, that installed a form of government that the Iranian people found disagreeable, and cast off? US policies in the ME have been counterproductive to peace and security. I'm sorry the basic concept of cause and effect escapes you.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    President Kennedy and his advisers did not agree with you. In October 1962, they took it for granted that the Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba could have been delivered against many cities in the U.S. The nuclear weapons stored in Cuba included sixty one-megaton warheads. Thirty-six of these were for the R-12 missiles there, which had a range of about 1,200 miles. Another twenty-four of these warheads were for the R-14 missiles, which had a range of about 2,800 miles.

    Both these types of missiles could be expected to miss their aim points by a mile or two--but if that aim point was the heart of a large American city, nuclear explosions that large would have killed quite a few millions of Americans.
    Those were IRBMs. Relatively short range missiles. The Soviets did not have a reliable ICBM (long range missiles) until 1964.

    Which is why the Soviets put the shorter range missiles in Cuba in the first place.

    Be familiar with the terminology.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    What I was actually saying is that bringing up an opinion of a public figure - as high as a prime minister - about why Hezbollah was created, does nothing to contradict the fact, yes fact, that Hezbollah is armed trained and funded exclusively by Iran and operates by its orders. You haven't denied that, so I can't see how you have convinced yourself that you're making a point here.
    And what I'm saying is that the prime minister of Israel would have a far better idea of the effects of Israeli foreign policy on its neighbour, and that you sir are the one with the opinion.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    "Taking out"??????? If you can justify Israel assassinating Iranians in Iran, then why would you condemn Iran doing similar, if by proxy. Wouldn't it be better if nobody were assassinating anybody. Wouldn't policies that promote cooperation, peace and prosperity be preferred to things like our 1953 CIA conducted Iranian coup, that installed a form of government that the Iranian people found disagreeable, and cast off? US policies in the ME have been counterproductive to peace and security. I'm sorry the basic concept of cause and effect escapes you.
    Because what you fail to understand for the thousandth time now is that Iran isn't comparable with the free world, with Western democracies.
    Stopping the Iranian agenda is a moral cause. Promoting the Iranian agenda is an immoral one. Period.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Actually yes unlike those states unless you can prove otherwise.
    That's how arguments work, you making assertions based on the opinion of a handful American public figures isn't called "forming an argument".
    Iran is the no.1 sponsor of terrorism on the planet and that makes it unique, along with its hostile approach and its Islamic fundamentalist agenda.
    You claim that you do not argue for allowing them to have nuclear capabilities but I'm afraid that's all you've been doing so far. It's ridiculous.



    I already agreed with you on that but it's delusional to believe that the entire world is going to disarm itself from nuclear capabilities.
    We need to focus on what needs to be done at present, and what the free world should be focusing on is to not allow nations like Iran and North Korea to gain nuclear capabilities.



    Again you're bringing up the US from over 70 years ago.
    Nuclear weapons were used once during a time of moral crisis and that was enough for the free world to recognize that it is not to be used again.
    Iran should never be allowed to gain these capabilities.
    If the "free world" has come to some morally superior position that nuclear weapons ought not ever be used again, then why have they not eliminated their stockpiles, hmm??
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Because what you fail to understand for the thousandth time now is that Iran isn't comparable with the free world, with Western democracies.
    Stopping the Iranian agenda is a moral cause. Promoting the Iranian agenda is an immoral one. Period.
    I'm not promoting any "agenda" I'm pointing out that decades of destructive US policies in Iran and the region are having grave consequences. And a 2006, Bush era NIE concluded such.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And what I'm saying is that the prime minister of Israel would have a far better idea of the effects of Israeli foreign policy on its neighbour, and that you sir are the one with the opinion.
    Then you have strong reading comprehension problems because I pointed out how irrelevant whether Hezbollah was formed due to Israeli actions or not is, to the fact that Hezbollah is an Iranian proxy terror organization. Please do give it your best and try to understand the text better, if only for one more time.
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