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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    In the interest of accusing Iran of plotting assassinations, Israel has both plotted, and executed their assassinations in Iran, a bit more serious charge. And why would you call Obama, necessarily my buddy, I don't even know him, as a matter of fact, I've never met him either. Hardly the definition of a buddy. Additionally, I responded to an accusation by you in another thread with a list of 14 serious criticisms of Obama/Obama administration policies, to arrest your false claims.
    Please stick to the topic.

    I said NOTHING about Israel and do not intend to. I refuse to get into your constant diversions of comparison based on your faulty ideas of history. If you cannot debate properly, don't.

    you have supported your president without hesitation in his helping of Iran's nuclear development program while ignoring the facts that Iran is a rogue state, sworn to the destruction of it's neighbor with hostile intentions in the west. That Canada, the "nice country" is in a cold war with them and yet with Obama's insane track record of loss after loss after loss after failure, you still niavely believe Iran's intentions are honorable.

    And then defend your position with more comparative reductivism as a defense.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wow! Just WOW that's unbelievable dismissal, like on a grand scale. So you now think the former prime minister of Israel doesn't even know what he's talking about. Wonder if he would be believed if he said that the Iranians were the chief exporters of terrorism in the world?????
    What I was actually saying is that bringing up an opinion of a public figure - as high as a prime minister - about why Hezbollah was created, does nothing to contradict the fact, yes fact, that Hezbollah is armed trained and funded exclusively by Iran and operates by its orders. You haven't denied that, so I can't see how you have convinced yourself that you're making a point here.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Iran uses terrorism in places to advance their agenda not unlike the US, Israel,
    Actually yes unlike those states unless you can prove otherwise.
    That's how arguments work, you making assertions based on the opinion of a handful American public figures isn't called "forming an argument".
    Iran is the no.1 sponsor of terrorism on the planet and that makes it unique, along with its hostile approach and its Islamic fundamentalist agenda.
    You claim that you do not argue for allowing them to have nuclear capabilities but I'm afraid that's all you've been doing so far. It's ridiculous.

    It would be nice if nobody did, the ideal situation, for me.
    I already agreed with you on that but it's delusional to believe that the entire world is going to disarm itself from nuclear capabilities.
    We need to focus on what needs to be done at present, and what the free world should be focusing on is to not allow nations like Iran and North Korea to gain nuclear capabilities.

    But pointing out Iran's use of the tactic while excusing our own is dishonest. So far the only country to use the nuclear bomb, and on whole cities, is the US. So stop wringing your hands about something that you think Iran might do one day IF, they get the opportunity.
    Again you're bringing up the US from over 70 years ago.
    Nuclear weapons were used once during a time of moral crisis and that was enough for the free world to recognize that it is not to be used again.
    Iran should never be allowed to gain these capabilities.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Which doesn't make it the truth, nor does it mean anything at all in relation to Hezbollah being an Iranian proxy terror organization.
    If you tried to make a point on the subject... well you clearly haven't.



    Another non-relating comment.
    Israel wasn't threatening Iran, Iran was threatening Israel.
    Israel didn't have any hostility with Iran before Iran had declared that Israel is the enemy and must be destroyed.
    Hence the argument that it is somehow all Israel's fault, again, is a very ridiculous one.
    [emphasis added by bubba]

    read this article and once again see that it is israel who is the initiator of aggression towards iran
    Who is the real threat: Iran or Israel? - Al Jazeera English

    A history of military threats against Iran
    Israel has repeatedly tried to provoke the US into attacking Iran. In an interview with the Times of London on November 5, 2002, former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon tried to persuade the US to attack Iran. Calling Iran a "centre of world terror" that is pursuing nuclear weapons, Sharon insisted that the US put pressure on Tehran, the "day after action against Baghdad ends".
    In April 2003, Daniel Ayalon, then Israeli ambassador to the US, called for regime change in Iran and Syria, claiming in a conference that "it [the US] has to follow through." In the same year, other Israeli officials spoke repeatedly about the possibility of Israeli unilateral attacks on Iran's nuclear sites. Then Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz warned that "under no circumstances would Israel be able to tolerate nuclear weapons in Iranian possession."
    In January 2005, Seymour Hersh reported, "The Defence Department civilians, under the leadership of [Under-secretary of Defence for Policy] Douglas Feith, have been working with Israeli planners and consultants to develop and refine potential nuclear, chemical-weapons, and missile targets inside Iran."
    In April 2005, Sharon said, "Israel - and not only Israel - cannot accept a nuclear Iran. We have the ability to deal with this and we’re making all the necessary preparations to be ready for such a situation."Sharon had reportedly ordered the IDF to develop plans for attacking Iran by March 2006. In the same month, when the IDF chief Dan Halutz was asked, how far Israel was willing to go to stop Iran's nuclear program, he responded, "two thousand kilometres," meaning Tehran. In response to Ahmadinejad's infamous and incorrectly translated statement that "Israel must be wiped off the map," Peres said, "Iran can also be wiped off the map."
    After a meeting in July 2009 with then US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates, Ehud Barak, Israel's Defence Minister, said that attacking Iran's nuclear facilities is an option, adding, "We clearly believe that no option should be removed from the table. This is our policy; we mean it. We recommend to others to take the same position …."
    Barak and Netanyahu were determined to attack Iran in 2010, but were thwarted by the military and intelligence establishments within Israel. In November 2012, Netanyahu again threatened Iran with military attacks, even if the US does not go along.
    On June 19 Moshe Ya’alon, Netanyahu’s new Defense Minister called for "significant increase in pressure by Western countries to lead Iran to the dilemma of either having a bomb or surviving."
    In the latest of such provocations, in an interview with CNN's Fareed Zakaria on August 9, Barak emphasised again that attacking Iran is a serious option for Israel. ...
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sorry, I have never argued that its "legitimate" for Iran to have nuclear weapons. I have, once again, asked yourself and others, why you guys think its perfectly fine for some countries to have them, and not others?? And still have no satisfactory reason.
    The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons entered into force in 1970. All countries that already possessed nuclear weapons were allowed to retain them: United States, France, United Kingdom, Soviet Union, People's Republic of China. All other signatoriies have agreed not to develop nuclear weapons. Iran has signed the treaty. India, Israel, and Pakistan have not, and so are not bound by it. North Korea withdrew from the treaty in 2003.

    So, by treaty, all countries that currently have nukes are either allowed to have them under the Non-Proliferation treaty, or are not signatories. Iran is a signatory and in violation of the treaty.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    [emphasis added by bubba]

    read this article and once again see that it is israel who is the initiator of aggression towards iran
    Who is the real threat: Iran or Israel? - Al Jazeera English
    An opinion piece from al-Jazeera? Seriously?
    And no it doesn't contradict the fact that Iran has initiated hostilities with Israel and not the other way around.
    It is clear by now that you are unable, mentally-wise, to acknowledge this obvious truth. Awesome.
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wow, you believe such nonsense? The US hasn't any offensive weapon systems in our arsenal, lol. The majority of our weapons have offensive purposes. Chief amongst them are the nuclear weapons, and if you want to argue that MAD works, then why the fuss over Iran having them??
    MAD does not work as far as I'm concerned.

    Besides which MAD by its very natures requires

    1) Considering the other side to be equals. Something I'm not prepared to extend to Iran
    2) Believing the other side will act reasonably. Again, not something I'm going to consider Iran.

    And who cares if our weapons are offensive? The U.S. can't be defended without them.

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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    MAD does not work as far as I'm concerned.

    Besides which MAD by its very natures requires

    1) Considering the other side to be equals. Something I'm not prepared to extend to Iran
    2) Believing the other side will act reasonably. Again, not something I'm going to consider Iran.

    And who cares if our weapons are offensive? The U.S. can't be defended without them.
    why do you believe the world's dominant weapon system - nuclear weapons - have not been used since nagasaki?
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    why do you believe the world's dominant weapon system - nuclear weapons - have not been used since nagasaki?
    What targets have been attacked since Nagasaki?
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    Re: Iran's Khamenei says could accept fair nuclear compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What targets have been attacked since Nagasaki?
    so, your position is that there have been no military targets since nagasaki?
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