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In unison, Muslim clerics lash out against Islamic State

Chainsaw said:
What planet do you live on? The majority of America's support military action (not just a few sorties) to defeat ISIS, and yet Obama just draws another 'red-line'. I don't blame American's because they want action!


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Ok great. The American people aren't to blame for America failing to eliminate ISIS.

So, similarly, can we say moderate Muslims aren't to blame for their government failing to eliminate ISIS?


For ISIS, tough times as it seeks to regroup - CNN.com
ISIS loses ground in symbolic battle for Ain al-Arab | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR
About 1,600 Dead in Syria
ISIS Loses More Ground Near the Deir Ezzor Airport Airport
 
Grant said:
It is the Leftists, not 'westerners' who appear indifferent. They seem more concerned about 'Islamophobia' then the indiscriminate torture and murders being carried out around the world, though especially in the Mid East and Africa.
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Well, we can't all be like Cheney. The righty's seem more concerned with starting a religious war than they are in preventing terrorism. I guess that's their idea of creating jobs.
 
Moot said:
Well, we can't all be like Cheney. The righty's seem more concerned with starting a religious war than they are in preventing terrorism. I guess that's their idea of creating jobs.
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I'm interested in killing the terrorists.
 
apdst said:
I'm interested in killing the terrorists.
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And I'm interested in stopping people from becoming terrorists in the first place.
 
apdst said:
The prevention lies within the cure.
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Really? You think killing terrorists stops people from becoming terrorists?
 
Deuce said:
Really? You think killing terrorists stops people from becoming terrorists?
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It worked on the nazis. Or, do you think appeasement is the best strategy?
 
Moot said:
I'm interested in preventing terrorists.
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You and Deuce get your responses from the same place?

Ok, what do you recommend?
 
apdst said:
It worked on the nazis. Or, do you think appeasement is the best strategy?
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We've had this conversation before. You're still thinking in black and white. "Kill terrorists" and "appease terrorists" are the only options you can conceive of, and for some reason you think only one choice can be made.

How come you don't want to kill terrorists and prevent people from becoming terrorists?
 
apdst said:
You and Deuce get your responses from the same place?

Ok, what do you recommend?
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Abolish tribalism. Education for girls and women. Create more economic opportunities for the young. License the Imam's and regulate the madrassas. That's just off the top of my head but there's plenty of things that coulda, shoulda and woulda been done or at least tried but weren't before we went to war in the ME and inspired thousands to become jiihadists. I have doubts that genie can ever be put back in the bottle.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Last time I checked, when you wave a picket sign or like a picture on facebook you still don't really stop some moron with an AK from massacring people.

Pacifists can take a fist up themselves if they think that bullcrap will ever work.
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Or bleat about it on a debate site.
 
Moot said:
Abolish tribalism. Education for girls and women. Create more economic opportunities for the young. License the Imam's and regulate the madrassas. That's just off the top of my head but there's plenty of things that coulda, shoulda and woulda been done or at least tried but weren't before we went to war in the ME and inspired thousands to become jiihadists. I have doubts that genie can ever be put back in the bottle.
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You know that the only way for any of that to happen, is to kill all the terrorists? We've seen how the Taliban views education; especially when it comes to females.
 
Deuce said:
We've had this conversation before. You're still thinking in black and white. "Kill terrorists" and "appease terrorists" are the only options you can conceive of, and for some reason you think only one choice can be made.

How come you don't want to kill terrorists and prevent people from becoming terrorists?
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Ok...fine...tell us what you believe will work.
 
apdst said:
You know that the only way for any of that to happen, is to kill all the terrorists? We've seen how the Taliban views education; especially when it comes to females.
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That's why I put "abolish tribalism" at the top of my list. Islam is never going to change until they give up the tribal mentality.
 
Deuce said:
Ok great. The American people aren't to blame for America failing to eliminate ISIS.

So, similarly, can we say moderate Muslims aren't to blame for their government failing to eliminate ISIS?


For ISIS, tough times as it seeks to regroup - CNN.com
ISIS loses ground in symbolic battle for Ain al-Arab | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR
About 1,600 Dead in Syria
ISIS Loses More Ground Near the Deir Ezzor Airport Airport
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Shalst I post the 20+ links that outline ISIS may be losing some skirmishes, but they continue to spread and grow, NOT just is Syria and Iraq?
 
Navy Pride said:
Its about ****ing time!!!!!!!!


In unison, Muslim clerics lash out against Islamic State


BAGHDAD (AP) — The immolation of a Jordanian pilot by the Islamic State group has brought a unified outcry Friday from top religious clerics across the Muslim world — including a prominent jihadi preacher — who insisted the militants have gone too far.
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"Muslims never speak out against radical Islam. They're all evil."

:roll: :lamo
 
JANFU said:
News like that does not sell. No blood, no gore, no scandal, not a high priority story.
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Still regretting the day the decision was made that news programs had to compete on ratings. What a stupid decision, and what a terrible fall out that we are now suffering from now.
 
Moot said:
That's why I put "abolish tribalism" at the top of my list. Islam is never going to change until they give up the tribal mentality.
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It's not tribalism so much as it's the Salafist movement. Suppression of Salafism and encouragement of mainstream Sunni, as well as Sufist or Ibadist beliefs, would go a long way to stabilising the ME and de-radicalising the population.
 
Moot said:
Well, we can't all be like Cheney. The righty's seem more concerned with starting a religious war than they are in preventing terrorism. I guess that's their idea of creating jobs.
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apdst said:
I'm interested in killing the terrorists.
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I'm interested in the terrorists just leaving US and innocents alone. Don't really a crap they do in their own, or in their own little corner of the world, or to the fools that follow them.

Couple of problems with that tho. These Militant Islamic Fundamentalists keep exporting their attacks to other nations and locations, and, as more recently and logically demonstrated by Sen. Tom Cotton:
SEN.TOM COTTON (R-ARKANSAS): OK, now I want to explore the so-called risk balance between recidivism of released terrorists and the propaganda value that terrorists get from Guantanamo Bay. How many recidivists are there at Guantanamo Bay right now?

BRIAN MCKEON, DEPUTY UNDERSECRETARY FOR DEFENSE POLICY: I'm not sure I follow the question, there are --

TOM COTTON: How many inmates at Guantanamo Bay are engaged in terrorism or anti-American incitement?

BRIAN MCKEON: There are none--

TOM COTTON: Because they are detained. They can only engage in that kind of recidivism overseas.

Now let's look at the propaganda value: How many detainees were at Guantanamo Bay on September 11, 2001?

BRIAN MCKEON: None.

TOM COTTON: How many were therein October 2000, when al-Qaeda bombed the U.S.S. Cole?

BRIAN MCKEON: Zero.

TOM COTTON: What about in 1998 when they bombed the embassies [in Kenya and Tanzania]?

BRIAN MCKEON: The facility was not open before 2002, Senator.

TOM COTTON: What about 1993 and the first World Trade Center bombing?

BRIAN MCKEON: Same answer.

TOM COTTON: And 1979 when Iran took over our embassy? Or 1983 when Hezbollah bombed our Marine Baracks in Lebanon? The answer is zero.

BRIAN MCKEON: Correct.

TOM COTTON: Islamic terrorists do not need an excuse to attack the United States, to attack us is what they do, they attack us for what we are.

It is not your decision. It is a political promise the president made on his campaign. To say [closing the base] is a security decision based propaganda value that our enemies get from it is a pretext to justify a political decision.

In my opinion the only problem with Guantanamo Bay is there are too many empty beds and cells there right now. We should be sending more terrorists there for further interrogation to keep this country safe. As far as I'm concerned every last one of them can rot in Hell, but as long as they don't do that they can rot in Guantanamo Bay.
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Tom Cotton Unloads On Guantanamo: "Terrorists Can Rot In Hell," The Only Problem Is "Too Many Empty Beds" | Video | RealClearPolitics (Bolding mine)
 
Moot said:
Well, we can't all be like Cheney. The righty's seem more concerned with starting a religious war than they are in preventing terrorism. I guess that's their idea of creating jobs.
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A religious war? Who told you the the 'rightys' were starting, or started, a religious war? Do you have a link?
 
Deuce said:
And I'm interested in stopping people from becoming terrorists in the first place.
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Yes, you can pass along the message to ISIS, or Boco Harom, that all of us should love one another, embrace our differences, be free to believe whatever we choose and that all governments should be secular.
 
Moot said:
Abolish tribalism. Education for girls and women. Create more economic opportunities for the young. License the Imam's and regulate the madrassas. That's just off the top of my head but there's plenty of things that coulda, shoulda and woulda been done or at least tried but weren't before we went to war in the ME and inspired thousands to become jiihadists. I have doubts that genie can ever be put back in the bottle.
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Moot said:
That's why I put "abolish tribalism" at the top of my list. Islam is never going to change until they give up the tribal mentality.
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True, but changing an existing culture, when the culture doesn't want to change, is kinda like mission impossible, isn't it?

How many cultures have actually changed and have had that change actually last very long when only forced on that culture from an external source? I'd wager none to one, maybe, if you're lucky.

The Saudi leadership has had the wisdom to be reformers in their own country, a little at a time for over 20 years, while balancing on a tightrope with their own Wahhabi fundamentalists. This would be change from within, where it must come from.

There is little the US, the UN, the World at large even, can do to force a culture to adopt. This type of change has to come from within.
 
Moot said:
That's why I put "abolish tribalism" at the top of my list. Islam is never going to change until they give up the tribal mentality.
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And you feel they would do this voluntarily?
 
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