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In unison, Muslim clerics lash out against Islamic State

apdst said:
Maybe it's an Arab thing? From my experience with Muslims, being burned is a terrifying thought.
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Do they feel the same way about burning others?

However, the Koran may allow for some flexibility in these matters. Stoning of rape victims ('adulteresses') is one of the older traditions among the faithful whereas hanging Gays in the town square, or throwing them from rooftops, is relatively new. There will always be a passage somewhere to satisfy and justify the more savage impulses in the human heart.
 
Grant said:
There are over 1.7 billion Muslims in the world and you're impressed with a hashtag campaign saying "Not in my name"? How has any of these 'protests', if they are even worth of the term, helped? They are completely and absolutely ineffective.
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Oh I see now. Now somehow condemning actions must somehow "help"? How do you want them to "help"? Are leaders speaking out against them, and many protests not enough? I thought this was about condemning the attacks and ISIS? Which they are.

When Muslims protest cartoons they damage millions in property and murder people indiscriminately. These people are useless in stopping any Islamic violence spreading around the word. They're observers in all of this carnage, just like everyone else.
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Ohhhh now I see. You just dont like Muslims in general.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Oh I see now. Now somehow condemning actions must somehow "help"? How do you want them to "help"? Are leaders speaking out against them, and many protests not enough? I thought this was about condemning the attacks and ISIS? Which they are.
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They are ineffective, and that seems clear enough. If they actually planned or formed something constructive, such as an embargo Iran or any country which had a connection with terrorism, then they might be taken more seriously, but that's quite impossible.

Also, if you were familiar with Taqiyya you will note that many Islamic leaders say one thing to the western democracies and another to the faithful. Out of 1.7 billion Muslims they should come up with something a little more solid. TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Taqiyya and Lying

Ohhhh now I see. You just dont like Muslims in general.
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I don't like them or dislike them. They just are.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Muslims in the west are actively trying to stop the recruting to ISIS. Some example from the USA:

Average Mohamed tries to thwart Islamic State

Local Muslim Community Trying to Stop ISIS Recruitment (Video)

Stopping Isis: How Tucson is trying to keep militants from recruiting - KGUN9

In ME you have for example the battle of Kobani their many muslims fought ISIS.

Siege of Kobanî - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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We can all rest easier knowing that the Tucson police force is on top of the situation.
 
Grant said:
They are ineffective, and that seems clear enough. If they actually planned or formed something constructive, such as an embargo Iran or any country which had a connection with terrorism, then they might be taken more seriously, but that's quite impossible.
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:lamo What the ****. You want a group of religious people to embargo a country because of ISIS :lamo

Also, if you were familiar with Taqiyya you will note that many Islamic leaders say one thing to the western democracies and another to the faithful. Out of 1.7 billion Muslims they should come up with something a little more solid. TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Taqiyya and Lying
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:lamo Full conspiracy mode now..

I don't like them or dislike them. They just are.
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At least you admit your bigotry.
 
matchlight said:
The hell you say! How many of them? Ten? Twenty, maybe? Can you tell us their names?
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Many links have been provided. Google can provide you with many more.

In fact, pick any act of terrorism from some radical Islamic group. I bet I can find you Muslims condemning it.
 
Grant said:
They are ineffective, and that seems clear enough. If they actually planned or formed something constructive, such as an embargo Iran or any country which had a connection with terrorism, then they might be taken more seriously, but that's quite impossible.
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But if muslins should boycott any country with connection with terrorism, shouldn't when also USA do it? That USA is not only a big business partner to Saudi Arabia but also have troops on the ground defending Saudi Arabia. That at the same time moderate muslim get under more pressure to again and again explain that they not support ISIS, USA countinue supporting Saudi Arabia.


Analyses - Madrassas | PBS - Saudi Time Bomb? | FRONTLINE | PBS

Jonathan Manthorpe: Saudi Arabia funding fuels jihadist terror

Grant said:
We can all rest easier knowing that the Tucson police force is on top of the situation.
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Thanks to the help from the local muslim comunity.
 
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Deuce said:
Yep. Because you live in a nation where "muslims protest peacefully somewhere on the other side of the world" isn't something you would call breaking news. CNN doesn't spend an hour talking about it because it doesn't sell advertising space. it isn't exciting, it isn't scary, it isn't funny, it isn't a scandal,it isn't new, and it doesnt affect your daily life. Needs a hook.

It happens every day. Every attack that these Islamic terrorists commit, there is mass condemnation. But unless you go looking for it, you aren't going to see it because OH MY GOD LOOK WHAT KATY PERRY WORE AT THE SUPERBOWL.
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That seems like a rather convenient excuse with little to support your contention. The links I've read covering such protests are from rather obscure sources. Again, the concern about lack of condemnation is not just coming from "where I live". From what I see and read, it's coming from people in nations around the globe, so your premise doesn't seem to hold water.
 
ocean515 said:
That seems like a rather convenient excuse with little to support your contention. The links I've read covering such protests are from rather obscure sources. Again, the concern about lack of condemnation is not just coming from "where I live". From what I see and read, it's coming from people in nations around the globe, so your premise doesn't seem to hold water.
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It's supported by evidence. Pick any attack you like, there are Muslims condemning it.
But you have to look. Not just scan the front page of your favorite news site. Google it.
 
Grant said:
Do they feel the same way about burning others?

However, the Koran may allow for some flexibility in these matters. Stoning of rape victims ('adulteresses') is one of the older traditions among the faithful whereas hanging Gays in the town square, or throwing them from rooftops, is relatively new. There will always be a passage somewhere to satisfy and justify the more savage impulses in the human heart.
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Ask yourself this: why are there Muslims ready for full scale war, now and not before?
 
Deuce said:
It's supported by evidence. Pick any attack you like, there are Muslims condemning it.
But you have to look. Not just scan the front page of your favorite news site. Google it.
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Trust me, I've googled it.

I guess you've concluded there is a global conspiracy to manipulate people so all those millions believe there isn't enough condemnation of these terrorist attacks carried out in the name of Allah.

Or perhaps you're just plain wrong, and there isn't the level your trying to suggest.
 
ocean515 said:
Trust me, I've googled it.

I guess you've concluded there is a global conspiracy to manipulate people so all those millions believe there isn't enough condemnation of these terrorist attacks carried out in the name of Allah.

Or perhaps you're just plain wrong, and there isn't the level your trying to suggest.
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:roll:

Yeah, sure. My conclusion is global conspiracy instead of the thing I told you was my conclusion.

 
Deuce said:
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Yeah, sure. My conclusion is global conspiracy instead of the thing I told you was my conclusion.
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Perhaps I didn't articulate my response well. I apologize.

Let's see if I can improve on it.

If your conclusion were true, why do so many millions of people around the globe believe there hasn't been enough condemnation by followers of the same faith?
 
Deuce said:
Many links have been provided. Google can provide you with many more.

In fact, pick any act of terrorism from some radical Islamic group. I bet I can find you Muslims condemning it.
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Precious few, out of the billion-and-a half. I don't care in any case, because I believe that with a few possible exceptions, these are lies meant to put people in the West off their guard. CAIR, for example, is a Muslim Brotherhood front group. I assume anything it says is a carefully calculated lie. Yusuf Qardawi is another propagandist--a damned lying Islamist SOB. The only condemnation I've seen that rings halfway true is the one that came from the official at al Azhar.
 
ocean515 said:
Perhaps I didn't articulate my response well. I apologize.

Let's see if I can improve on it.

If your conclusion were true, why do so many millions of people around the globe believe there hasn't been enough condemnation by followers of the same faith?
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Millions? Seems to me that it's just a bunch of right-wing internet forum posters. How did you get the idea that millions of people share your view?
 
matchlight said:
Precious few, out of the billion-and-a half. I don't care in any case, because I believe that with a few possible exceptions, these are lies meant to put people in the West off their guard.
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It must be nice to have an opinion where evidence to the contrary doesn't matter because it's all a big trick.
 
Deuce said:
Millions? Seems to me that it's just a bunch of right-wing internet forum posters. How did you get the idea that millions of people share your view?
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LOL. It's not my view, I just join the chorus. Prove to me there aren't millions who are wondering where the greater commendation is.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL. It's not my view, I just join the chorus. Prove to me there aren't millions who are wondering where the greater commendation is.
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A chorus. On internet forums.


Prove there aren't billions who agree with me.
 
Deuce said:
A chorus. On internet forums.


Prove there aren't billions who agree with me.
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Gee, I didn't see that coming. :roll:

Prove there are billions who agree with you.

I see this going nowhere.

Have a good day.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:lamo What the ****. You want a group of religious people to embargo a country because of ISIS :lamo
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Not just because of ISIS, of course, but against all Islamic terrorism. If leftists can band together to attempt an embargo on Israel why can't those throngs of anti terrorist Muslims try something similar?
:lamo Full conspiracy mode now..
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What conspiracy is that? Are you not familiar with the subject?
At least you admit your bigotry.
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Bigotry? By neither liking or disliking? How is that?? Your vocabulary seems limited.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
But if muslins should boycott any country with connection with terrorism, shouldn't when also USA do it? That USA is not only a big business partner to Saudi Arabia but also have troops on the ground defending Saudi Arabia. That at the same time moderate muslim get under more pressure to again and again explain that they not support ISIS, USA countinue supporting Saudi Arabia.
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Let's not get sidetracked. We were discussing the 'moderate' Muslims who claim to be anti-terrorist.
 
Deuce said:
It's supported by evidence. Pick any attack you like, there are Muslims condemning it. But you have to look. Not just scan the front page of your favorite news site. Google it.
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Out of 1.7 million Muslims you have to research to find some of them protesting. They should be making front page headlines if they wanted to have some positive effect.
 
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