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    Re: In unison, Muslim clerics lash out against Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Well, we can't all be like Cheney. The righty's seem more concerned with starting a religious war than they are in preventing terrorism. I guess that's their idea of creating jobs.
    A religious war? Who told you the the 'rightys' were starting, or started, a religious war? Do you have a link?

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    Re: In unison, Muslim clerics lash out against Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And I'm interested in stopping people from becoming terrorists in the first place.
    Yes, you can pass along the message to ISIS, or Boco Harom, that all of us should love one another, embrace our differences, be free to believe whatever we choose and that all governments should be secular.

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    Re: In unison, Muslim clerics lash out against Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Abolish tribalism. Education for girls and women. Create more economic opportunities for the young. License the Imam's and regulate the madrassas. That's just off the top of my head but there's plenty of things that coulda, shoulda and woulda been done or at least tried but weren't before we went to war in the ME and inspired thousands to become jiihadists. I have doubts that genie can ever be put back in the bottle.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    That's why I put "abolish tribalism" at the top of my list. Islam is never going to change until they give up the tribal mentality.
    True, but changing an existing culture, when the culture doesn't want to change, is kinda like mission impossible, isn't it?

    How many cultures have actually changed and have had that change actually last very long when only forced on that culture from an external source? I'd wager none to one, maybe, if you're lucky.

    The Saudi leadership has had the wisdom to be reformers in their own country, a little at a time for over 20 years, while balancing on a tightrope with their own Wahhabi fundamentalists. This would be change from within, where it must come from.

    There is little the US, the UN, the World at large even, can do to force a culture to adopt. This type of change has to come from within.
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    Re: In unison, Muslim clerics lash out against Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Really? You think killing terrorists stops people from becoming terrorists?
    It has proven to be very effective. Do you have an alternative plan?

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    Re: In unison, Muslim clerics lash out against Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    That's why I put "abolish tribalism" at the top of my list. Islam is never going to change until they give up the tribal mentality.
    And you feel they would do this voluntarily?

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    Re: In unison, Muslim clerics lash out against Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The fundamental media bias isn't political, it is financial. "Muslims on other side of the planet want peace" isn't a story that sells advertising space. Death and explosions do. i'd place blame on them, but we're the ones buying the product so it's not like we are blameless ourselves.
    I see and acknowledge that you are seeing the media bias as financial. I'll admit that there's that element to it.

    However, I'm also seeing a fundamental media bias for the liberal / progressive agenda and against, what strikes me anyway, as a more common sense conservative agenda. True, not all of it is, but most of it.
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    Re: In unison, Muslim clerics lash out against Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Let's not get sidetracked. We were discussing the 'moderate' Muslims who claim to be anti-terrorist.
    Yes and I have provided in my earlier post links to new sources about moderat muslims working to stop ISIS recruiting in the West and I also linked to the battle of Kobani.

    You have also the kingdom of Jordan that already is fighting the ISIS and giving ISIS members the death penalty. That now also up the ante in their fight against ISIS because one of their pilot fighting the ISIS got brutally murdered. Just like USA would have up the ante if an american soldier got burned alive by the enemy.

    You also have to understand that moderat muslims is not only struggling against organizations like ISIS but also against fundamentalist supported by the West.

    That Saudi fundamentilist are for example trying to build mosqeus in the West with their Western oil money.

    That at the same time moderate Saudi muslims that try to question the fundementalist teaching of the USA protected Saudi goverment, is for example sentenced to 10 years in prison and 1 000 lashes.

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    Re: In unison, Muslim clerics lash out against Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Have you personally taken action against violent street gangs?
    I have.....how may from your side that come from the sheltered backyard, do? Why is those from your side of the aisle tremble and quake when dealing with these types?

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    Re: In unison, Muslim clerics lash out against Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Gee, I didn't see that coming.

    Prove there are billions who agree with you.

    I see this going nowhere.

    Have a good day.
    He forgot the Chinese and Hindu Indians have billions.....which doesn't count the rest of the planet and minus the 1.7 billion Muslims.

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    Re: In unison, Muslim clerics lash out against Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It is the Leftists, not 'westerners' who appear indifferent. They seem more concerned about 'Islamophobia' then the indiscriminate torture and murders being carried out around the world, though especially in the Mid East and Africa.
    Well, and to take the opposite of what those on the Right say. Until it is at their front door. Then when the police can't come. Guess who they run to for help.

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