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Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

Ohhh now I see where this is going. This investigation that has found nothing in the past years, are now turning the page and instead not the attack itself, but now reasons for bombing Libya. Funny how they moved the goalposts. I guess this is the first time that Republicans are against dropping bombs on a country...

Yes, because as everyone can see, Obamas foreign policy decisions concerning Lyibia have been such a resounding success.

Well, his foreign policy decisions concerning everyone and everything have been a unmitigated disaster.
 
Really???? That's simple, because they want the Islamic militants that are Taliban/Islamic State hit and NOT THEIR FREAKEN CIVILIANS. The Pd program is a colossal failure and a recruiting tool for extremists. But I know you'll continue to support it, so..........watch for more extremism!!!!

Oh you think I am ALL for the drone program.....now why would I. One who is use to combat up close and personal be so invested in a drone Program Monte?

But then its okay for their government to keep requesting drones to hit their militants.....Right? But since it is Pakistan and their Officials and their people say, do this. That's okay since it isn't the US, Right?

Where is that scorn and condemnation for the Pakistani for creating conflict with those who are against them Being in Power?

What happened Monte.....why aren't you talking about what the Pakistan Government is doing to recruit constant fighters and rebels against them? Creating more terrorists. Whats up with that?

Cmon Now.....can't you blame others besides the US?
 
Yes, because as everyone can see, Obamas foreign policy decisions concerning Lyibia have been such a resounding success.

Well, his foreign policy decisions concerning everyone and everything have been a unmitigated disaster.

Oh shush. You're losing your "strategic patience". 600 years from now this will look much, much different.
 
Oh shush. You're losing your "strategic patience". 600 years from now this will look much, much different.

Nah that wont work HB. :2wave: As you can see with some its the US of A's fault for Shia killing Sunni and Sunni Killing Shia. Thats how the terrorists are being created.

By that time they will have figured out a way to legitimize that the US went back in time and started the whole thing.

There will be some historical record and some archeology proving a BIC lighter and a Hershey Bar was found. Something like that with the reason there was a big black hole, and caused time spacial shifts.
 
Nah that wont work HB. :2wave: As you can see with some its the US of A's fault for Shia killing Sunni and Sunni Killing Shia. Thats how the terrorists are being created.

By that time they will have figured out a way to legitimize that the US went back in time and started the whole thing.

There will be some historical record and some archeology proving a BIC lighter and a Hershey Bar was found. Something like that with the reason there was a big black hole, and caused time spacial shifts.

Well, we already have the success of Yemen to point to, and that's almost immediate. Just think how good it'll be in other places in 600 years. I expect that in less than 100 Bush will have donned a little black moustache in certain history books. Actually, by tomorrow probably, because the left only thinks one day at a time, and yesterday never happened because it's gone. I mean, who remembers, and who's to say another's memory is accurate, anyway?
 
Well, we already have the success of Yemen to point to, and that's almost immediate. Just think how good it'll be in other places in 600 years. I expect that in less than 100 Bush will have donned a little black moustache in certain history books. Actually, by tomorrow probably, because the left only thinks one day at a time, and yesterday never happened because it's gone. I mean, who remembers, and who's to say another's memory is accurate, anyway?

Oh Yemen.....haven't you heard. Besides the Iranians backing the Coup. BO says we will still continue to drone there. Have to remember the Control Room is in Dhjbouti.
 
Oh Yemen.....haven't you heard. Besides the Iranians backing the Coup. BO says we will still continue to drone there. Have to remember the Control Room is in Dhjbouti.

Obama's gonna have a problem deciding which "who" to drone there now.

Every president since Washington has inherited a used car. Blaming the former owner because it doesn't run well doesn't fix a damn thing, but it's sure a distraction for some. If Obama can't fix the car, maybe he should consider letting someone competent do the work.
 
Leftism is about feeling good about failure. It feels better to blame others, to say nobody else is better, etc. Its what gets them through the day. Maybe thats good enough for them, but not me.

I lambast conservatives for trying to play nice-they are yearning for yesteryear where both sides could play ball. Out of many, one. In the mean time the left is busy smearing, blaming, and playing the many, from one game. But that era is gone, the left destroyed it.

Fast forward 40 years and you see the end result in this forums lefties. They can't defend a thing, they dont know how. They can't intelligently discuss policy-they dont know how-but MAN can they smear and blame.

The US left....

All that is true of what I see in the Democrats and their supporters. As much as the left here is irresponsible, we do not hear a constant refrain aimed at leaders and failed leaders going back 30 to 50 years.

Frankly, I have never seen this from a leading politician in my life. We have had some pretty stupid and inept leaders, Stephan Dion wanted to be Prime Minister because he had a dog named Kyoto, his only party trick was signing the Kyoto accord. The current NDP leader, a socialist, hasn't a clue about this country, thinks a higher minimum wage is the answer to terrorism and bad weather.

However, I have never heard any of them or their followers ever say their current troubles were because of history, Luis St Laurent, Pierre Trudeau or even another country.

This is a unique thing we have here, specific to a section of the national culture of America...more likely specific to Obama.

It is a disease. This morning I was reminded of my kids, when very little and were caught, the answer was often "somebody did it." This is just a culture of that virus infecting the lame, lazy and stupid. They have run out of defenses, notice they cannot defend "you can keep your plan" with this garbage as no other president in history has ever lied so blatantly.

and there I think is the nature of the problem. This loser from Poverty Pimp Inc. looked so good, he was glib and slick and promised EVERYTHING, he raised hopes so high they were dreams, but this soft-voiced negro sold them utopia, "fee everything" and punish the "rich too" but they never looked behind the facade to see that he was the rich....good leaders seek to represent everyone, Obama waged war on "enemies"

So now, with the highest hopes turned to coals of resentment, the realization that this guy is a sack of ****, incompetent, dishonest and less than ready to defend America, his successor in the dynasty as bad or worse, incompetent, a liar, a coward as well....as well as old and fat they cannot bring themselves to admit that they have been hoodwinked, that the last seven years have been more than a waste of time and there has been no change, "hope" is a girl's name and they are, in the vernacular, ****ed.

The personal character of Obama, his attitude toward "them" as in "guns and Bibles", "others" has divided the United States more than at any other time in my 65 years, and that includes the Vietnam era. He entered office on an excuse "I inherited this mess" as if every other president did not inherit a mess....Reagan was I would say right up there.

Obama is a baby. His followers sense that and protect him with a blanket of vile, lies about history, now dead leaders [who the **** rakes the dead?] accusations of misdeeds and assaults on character...low life, scum sucking tactics thrown out like cowardly hockey players trying to look tough. They are not. They float on a wave of deceit, attack the messenger and assail character, sometimes the color of skin of an adopted baby, often the character of the dead, and save the most vile name calling "****" "whore" "slut' for Sarah Palin a woman who has never held national office.

No sir, this is not a "leftist" issue, I actually can maintain respect for leftists here, this is a disease of character where those who have none have to rip aopart those who do and even better when their dead, because they can't defend themselves.

It won't be 40 years. I am certain that I will see a collapse in my lifetime unless you people quit arguing about history and elect another Reagan...next time.

Without that, you will go down with the motto"

"It's the crusades fault!"
 
Uhhh.....it took action from a UN Ambassador and a Sec. of State to get the ball rolling and get the US involved.
Ok.. The country was still destabilized before the US even got involved...

Oh you must have forgot the bill Dick Durbin pressed forward to get more arms to the Ukrainians and get them more aid. As usual only looking at the Republicans.....while feigning concern about a hack show.
No. I never said that Democrats arent war hawks. I simply said you look at just about every US intervention in the past 20 years and you will see Republicans love it.

Looks like you are more concerned about Hillary than finding out about any truth.
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Nope. From my post you quoted: "I was against Obama bombing Libya in the first place. But this is a clear hack show. On one end you have Republicans to get involved in Ukraine, get involved in Syria, etc. but when it came to Libya (in which many in the GOP vocally supported) they are suddenly against it. What happened? Did the GOP randomly become the anti-hawk, anti-interventionist party? Or were they just the party that is against anything Obama does? I think this clearly shows the hypocrisy and the hack show this has become."
 
What you didn't think it wasn't going to show up or something?
Yea. We've had these hearings going on for 3 years now, on the 8th investigation. Everyone was screaming there was gonna be something huge revealed, "bombshell revelations". What happened? Nothing. Quietly came out a couple months ago and said they didnt find any wrongdoing...

Also.....didn't the State Dept just release 15k of documents they had not given out before? How did that come about and who caused those Documents to be released?

Yup. And Hillary is going to testify.
 
Yea. We've had these hearings going on for 3 years now, on the 8th investigation. Everyone was screaming there was gonna be something huge revealed, "bombshell revelations". What happened? Nothing. Quietly came out a couple months ago and said they didnt find any wrongdoing...



Yup. And Hillary is going to testify.


Yeah and in front of Gowdy.....but notice how if this investigation wasn't going on. That those 15k Documents wouldn't have finally made it out into the open. Wherein they were held up by the State Dept. Until Gowdy pressed the release. Forcing BO and Hillary's Team to take depositions. Was a very smart move.
 
Ok.. The country was still destabilized before the US even got involved...


No. I never said that Democrats arent war hawks. I simply said you look at just about every US intervention in the past 20 years and you will see Republicans love it.


:lamo
Nope. From my post you quoted: "I was against Obama bombing Libya in the first place. But this is a clear hack show. On one end you have Republicans to get involved in Ukraine, get involved in Syria, etc. but when it came to Libya (in which many in the GOP vocally supported) they are suddenly against it. What happened? Did the GOP randomly become the anti-hawk, anti-interventionist party? Or were they just the party that is against anything Obama does? I think this clearly shows the hypocrisy and the hack show this has become."



Was Libya destabilized or did Gadhafi have things under control, until it was decided he had to go.

But you didn't mention that with your focus on Republicans.

Again, you have Democrats that want involvement in the Ukraine. Its definitely not a clear hack. When consequences haven't been produced for those that screwed up with not even being able to recognize Imminent Signs of aggression and threats of attacks.

Naturally, it affects Hillary since she was the one that didn't care if her people got out alive or not.
 
Yeah and in front of Gowdy.....
Cool. She's testified before about it.

but notice how if this investigation wasn't going on.
There has already been one investigation, you really think there needs to be another one dont you? I mean dont forget that this is being pushed by organizations for clear political purposes. But hey have at it.

That those 15k Documents wouldn't have finally made it out into the open.
They arent in the open....

Wherein they were held up by the State Dept. Until Gowdy pressed the release. Forcing BO and Hillary's Team to take depositions. Was a very smart move.
Oh boy! He asked for state department documents and he got 40,000 of them and 15,000 never seen before by the committee..
 
Was Libya destabilized or did Gadhafi have things under control, until it was decided he had to go.
Saying that he didnt control many major cities... I say it was not under control...
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But you didn't mention that with your focus on Republicans.
Because the debate was taking place in a partisan nature, and based on partisan votes...

Again, you have Democrats that want involvement in the Ukraine. Its definitely not a clear hack. When consequences haven't been produced for those that screwed up with not even being able to recognize Imminent Signs of aggression and threats of attacks.
I never said there wasnt...


Naturally, it affects Hillary since she was the one that didn't care if her people got out alive or not.
:roll: Yup. This is backed up by a lot of substance.
 
:roll: Yup. This is backed up by a lot of substance.


It is, you just don't want to acknowledge it. Or maybe you're just commenting on something you know nothing about.

A reduction in security forces sealed the fate of the ambassador entourage in Benghazi. Stevens had contacted the state department on multiple occasions requesting additional security.

Why was there a reduction in security? Because Hillary said the region was safe.

Does anyone really want her to be POTUS with a foreign policy resume like that?
 
Saying that he didnt control many major cities... I say it was not under control...
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Because the debate was taking place in a partisan nature, and based on partisan votes...


I never said there wasnt...



:roll: Yup. This is backed up by a lot of substance.



How did that look in 2009? That's when the French increased filing resolutions on Libya.

Oh it is backed up.....with Hillary already testifying that she never talked to anyone after she talked to Hicks and talked to Panetta the next day.
 
Cool. She's testified before about it.


There has already been one investigation, you really think there needs to be another one dont you? I mean dont forget that this is being pushed by organizations for clear political purposes. But hey have at it.


They arent in the open....


Oh boy! He asked for state department documents and he got 40,000 of them and 15,000 never seen before by the committee..


Yeah she did it before.....but didn't answer much. Did a lot of talking. Now she will be directed to answer the question. No Cummings or any others to try and help with the deflection. Another one of those differences not pointed out.

Yeah he asked for State Dept documents that weren't released before.....and now they have been released to him. Just took some subpenoas and some depositions. He is also going with the subpoena on Hillary's Emails.

Funny how you don't think it was a big deal that Hillary and moreso her people kept those documents from coming out until now.

Well golly gee wilikers.....you at least didn't try and deflect with those withheld documents. Kudos to you for at least admitting to some truth.
 
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It is, you just don't want to acknowledge it. Or maybe you're just commenting on something you know nothing about.

A reduction in security forces sealed the fate of the ambassador entourage in Benghazi. Stevens had contacted the state department on multiple occasions requesting additional security.

Why was there a reduction in security? Because Hillary said the region was safe.

Does anyone really want her to be POTUS with a foreign policy resume like that?

Let me help you out here: House Committees Find No Wrongdoing In 2012 Benghazi Attack
 
Cool. She's testified before about it.


There has already been one investigation, you really think there needs to be another one dont you? I mean dont forget that this is being pushed by organizations for clear political purposes. But hey have at it.


They arent in the open....


Oh boy! He asked for state department documents and he got 40,000 of them and 15,000 never seen before by the committee..

Yep, but not this.

We did not know she lied to Obama, the contents of this new file etc.

And yes, I want an investigation for the fact too much is still now known. her roll in letting the terrorists escape and a good raking over the coals simply to get even for her being an absolute bitch along with Pelosi, Reid, "enemies" Obama, and the rest of the sloth that turned the US congress into a ****ing side show.

So side show it is, get used to it. Your president set the lowest common denominator for using congress to heap slime at your opponent, and now its gutter time, as in payback and what was that "What difference, AT THIS POINT does it make?"....as at this point she looks at least as slimy as Obama, and she's not black, not good looking and not very bright.

The Democrats set the priority as intra warfare, and now, for two years the lying left is going to get pay back. As dirty as Reid and the nuclear option can make ikt and you, the blathering masses of Gruberville and Obama himself are powerless to stop it."

Welcome to the train wreck
 
Yeah she did it before.....but didn't answer much. Did a lot of talking.
Didnt answer much but she talked a lot? Uhh... Thats not even possible...

Now she will be directed to answer the question.
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No Cummings or any others to try and help with the deflection. Another one of those differences not pointed out.
You know he is still there right'??

Yeah he asked for State Dept documents that weren't released before.....and now they have been released to him.
Oh my!

Just took some subpenoas and some depositions. He is also going with the subpoena on Hillary's Emails.
He didnt issue any...

Funny how you don't think it was a big deal that Hillary and moreso her people kept those documents from coming out until now.
Ummm no one requested them... And I dont know whats in the documents. I'm not going to be outraged when I dont know what the documents state.. But from the last bunch of documents that were released and reviewed that found nothing, no wrong doing. So I'm not gonna get upity and outraged over these ones, because based off the last investigations doesnt look too good...

Well golly gee wilikers.....you at least didn't try and deflect with those withheld documents. Kudos to you for at least admitting to some truth.
Ummm.. Its nothing to be debated.... He asked for documents and he got them... Its a indisputable fact...
 
How did that look in 2009? That's when the French increased filing resolutions on Libya.
So the French destabilized Libya? Not the US..Is this your point?

Oh it is backed up.....with Hillary already testifying that she never talked to anyone after she talked to Hicks and talked to Panetta the next day.

Yup. That conversation went exactly like that. I think her exact words were, "**** Americans, they can die in the embassy in Libya, just cuz!"
 
Then why did many of those that Were on that Committee......come and point out to the Camera that McKeon was not handling the investigation as he should have?
What? Camera?
And you know this is a Republican lead investigation right? They have every interest in mind to expose something.....


Why did they dispute his findings?
Because they are hacks. Its of political value for them to keep on pushing the investigation... Hell its practically part of their party agenda and platform now.

Also why did those on the Senate Committee point out some facts that McKeon missed yet was proven to be true later.
Did they find any wrongdoing? No. After 8 investigations still no wrongdoing has been found.
 
ISIS is not drawing recruits because of Gitmo or drones or political correctness among liberals in the US, they are getting recruits through their military success and their own viciousness.

The weakness of this president's response also has a lot to do with making them look like winners. An average of seven airstrikes a day is not going to accomplish much--and this lack of seriousness by President Limpwrist makes Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, and Qatar even less willing to stick their necks out. They were only making a few pinprick air attacks here and there to begin with, and even then only against ISIS, and not the Al Qaeda affiliates in Syria that they side with.

Jordan is only doing as much as it is the past few days because of the disclosure of the gruesome murder of its pilot. But its situation is too precarious to allow it to lead the charge for very long. A good part of Jordan's population sympathizes with the jihadists, and the influx of refugees has made it harder for King Abdullah to govern. Worse, thousands of Jordanians have gone into Syria to fight with the jihadists, and some of them are sure to return to operate inside Jordan.

The U.S. cannot lead this fight from behind, and this sorry excuse for a president is endangering our national security by trying. A half-hearted effort that lets these people continue to have a safe haven is asking for another attack on U.S. soil, possibly even worse than 9/11.
 
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What? Camera?
And you know this is a Republican lead investigation right? They have every interest in mind to expose something.....



Because they are hacks. Its of political value for them to keep on pushing the investigation... Hell its practically part of their party agenda and platform now.


Did they find any wrongdoing? No. After 8 investigations still no wrongdoing has been found.

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The release of a majority report from the House Intelligence Committee investigation into Benghazi, started long before Speaker John Boehner finally called a Select Committee for a comprehensive investigation, provided the media with grist for their narrative that the entire scandal was nothing more than GOP paranoia. It became almost immediately clear that the media hadn’t actually bothered to read the report, as Mollie Hemingway deduced at The Federalist, as the report actually substantiated a number of criticisms of the Obama administration, the CIA and State Department in particular. Noah wrote shortly afterward that any sense of vindication claimed from the substance of the report founders on the clear conclusion that State under Hillary Clinton utterly failed to provide adequate security for a dangerous location, and that the US government under Barack Obama was shockingly unprepared for hostile action on the anniversary of 9/11. “Some victory,” Noah concluded.

All of the above analysis is based on a straightforward acceptance of the HIC report, though. Stephen Hayes takes a much closer and critical look at the document for The Weekly Standard, and finds huge holes in the work — and blames it on the outgoing chair of the committee, Mike Rogers:


The revelations even roused the establishment media from their Benghazi torpor and generated extraordinarily hostile questioning of White House press secretary Jay Carney by reporters who had trusted his claims of administration noninvolvement. None of this convinced Rogers to make Benghazi a priority—a fact that frustrated many of the committee’s members. Boehner received a steady stream of visits and phone calls from House members who complained that Rogers wasn’t doing his job. In all, seven members of the intelligence committee took their concerns directly to the speaker or his top aides......snip~


About that House Intelligence Committee report on Benghazi, Part III … « Hot Air


 
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