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Sorry, but Yes.....and from your own link Monte. Nice try though with your Anti American rhetoric. Did you want to try and go back and blame the US for Who really was sitting on that perch and long before 1930? What happened?


In a rush to secure and expand their own supplies in the region, the British landed an expeditionary force near Basra in what is now Iraq in 1914. By 1918 the British captured Baghdad and ensconced themselves and their allies there, a perch from which they projected power for several decades. 5 American ascendance in the Persian Gulf later in the century created a new pattern of militarism and war.....snip~


Those that have been teaching you abroad. Should make sure they include all of history and not just their notion of it.

I see you conveniently excluded the last paragraph of my post in your quote, nice try, but I spoke to that, didn't I????
 
I see you conveniently excluded the last paragraph of my post in your quote, nice try, but I spoke to that, didn't i?

Doesn't change the bottomline of what I said Monte....so you were attempting to play with the facts. Repeating what the US did after the fact. After Churchill.
 
Doesn't change the bottomline of what I said Monte....so you were attempting to play with the facts. Repeating what the US did after the fact. After Churchill.

It changes EVERYTHING, by excluding my last statement it's you that was playing with facts. 1930-2015 is 85 years of US exploitation that the Middle East is very cognisant of, despite your denial of it.
 
It changes EVERYTHING, by excluding my last statement it's you that was playing with facts. 1930-2015 is 85 years of US exploitation that the Middle East is very cognisant of, despite your denial of it.

Go look again I didn't deny it.....and it was you that avoided what was stated. But like I said.....it would be a nice change, if you change up that agenda with your propaganda about us being the Great Satan and all that. ;)
 
Go look again I didn't deny it.....and it was you that avoided what was stated. But like I said.....it would be a nice change, if you change up that agenda with your propaganda about us being the Great Satan and all that. ;)

Ok MMC, if you want debate, be honest, if you want to speak to the wind, then keep up your dishonesty. I've never referred to the US as the "Great Satan". You have me confused with others. Installing links in my posts that document the wrong doings of US foreign policy isn't an agenda. Or is it an agenda when you tirelessly blame all of Americas wrong doings on the Democratic Party. Nobody is right all the time, and nobody is wrong all the time, only a patronising partisan thinks their god damn party is always right.
 
Ok MMC, if you want debate, be honest, if you want to speak to the wind, then keep up your dishonesty. I've never referred to the US as the "Great Satan". You have me confused with others. Installing links in my posts that document the wrong doings of US foreign policy isn't an agenda. Or is it an agenda when you tirelessly blame all of Americas wrong doings on the Democratic Party. Nobody is right all the time, and nobody is wrong all the time, only a patronising partisan thinks their god damn party is always right.

No you haven't referred to them as that....but you might as well as have said it too.

You're the one that can never talk about anything good the US has done or can do.

You just point out how we are the problem for the planet.....all thru your own words and eyes. Been this way for sometime.....hence why I mentioned to you about throwing in the change up.
 
No you haven't referred to them as that....but you might as well as have said it too.

You're the one that can never talk about anything good the US has done or can do.

You just point out how we are the problem for the planet.....all thru your own words and eyes. Been this way for sometime.....hence why I mentioned to you about throwing in the change up.

You going to "throw in the change up" on the democrats, or are they going to remain your Great Satan. See how that works? I'll provide you a list of ten things the US has done/is doing that are good, positive and commendable, if you'll provide me a list of ten things that the Democratic Party has done or is doing that is good, positive and commendable!!
 
You going to "throw in the change up" on the democrats, or are they going to remain your Great Satan. See how that works? I'll provide you a list of ten things the US has done/is doing that are good, positive and commendable, if you'll provide me a list of ten things that the Democratic Party has done or is doing that is good, positive and commendable!!

Yeah, I did when I use to be one.....how you looking now Monte.
 
Yeah, I did when I use to be one.....how you looking now Monte.

Scared of the challenge I see, hmm, I'm not surprised your bias and hatred precludes you from it.
 
Scared of the challenge I see, hmm, I'm not surprised your bias and hatred precludes you from it.

Nah, I just told you like it was.....this doesn't change anything I said. All we need do is check it out and you will be about bashing the US. No matter if it is a Democrat or a Republican. But its surprising that you can't see it.

Despite all politics being partisan.
 
Nah, I just told you like it was.....this doesn't change anything I said. All we need do is check it out and you will be about bashing the US. No matter if it is a Democrat or a Republican. But its surprising that you can't see it.

Despite all politics being partisan.

Yes indeed, fair and balanced, an equal opportunity critic, not the partisan hack that you play. Documenting wrong doing is only called "bashing" when someone else does it huh. Like I said, your up to your lip in hatred of the Democratic Party, and can't find ten good things to say about them your hatred is so strong. Just a little acknowledgement of your own party failings would go a long way, but no, republican=good! and democrat=bad! that's all you've got.
 
You going to "throw in the change up" on the democrats, or are they going to remain your Great Satan. See how that works? I'll provide you a list of ten things the US has done/is doing that are good, positive and commendable, if you'll provide me a list of ten things that the Democratic Party has done or is doing that is good, positive and commendable!!


Give us five things George Bush did was "good, positive and commendable"

If not, how about Sarah Palin.

Tell you what, when the Democrats under Obama do anything "good, positive and commendable" I will join the party.
 
Yes indeed, fair and balanced, an equal opportunity critic, not the partisan hack that you play. Documenting wrong doing is only called "bashing" when someone else does it huh. Like I said, your up to your lip in hatred of the Democratic Party, and can't find ten good things to say about them your hatred is so strong. Just a little acknowledgement of your own party failings would go a long way, but no, republican=good! and democrat=bad! that's all you've got.

Monte that's so foolish with Kennedy being a Democrat its just absurd. Oh and I have jumped on the Republicans for all sorts of things. But you aren't ever around in those threads. All you need do is look at what Republicans in Partisan Politics threads to see who have I gone after and what.

So its all here.....they didn't delete anything. So now whats the excuse.

Even have some stuff up where I gave BO peep some credit. This doesn't change that now I focus more on what Team Left is out and doing.

No the balance comes down to whenever you start acknowledging that the US isn't just isn't the one to always blame.
 
Monte that's so foolish with Kennedy being a Democrat its just absurd. Oh and I have jumped on the Republicans for all sorts of things. But you aren't ever around in those threads. All you need do is look at what Republicans in Partisan Politics threads to see who have I gone after and what.

So its all here.....they didn't delete anything. So now whats the excuse.

Even have some stuff up where I gave BO peep some credit. This doesn't change that now I focus more on what Team Left is out and doing.

No the balance comes down to whenever you start acknowledging that the US isn't just isn't the one to always blame.

If you know where these republican criticisms are and the democratic praises, post them up for me to see. The US isn't always to blame, there just to be blamed when they've done wrong. For some, it only needs to be pointed out when its a democratic administration, and for others, it's only when there's a republican administration. I don't play that game, and for that, you want to call me an American hater, lol! Call it out wherever you see it MMC, and you will be credible, but the constant bashing of only one side is useless.
 
Give us five things George Bush did was "good, positive and commendable"

If not, how about Sarah Palin.

Tell you what, when the Democrats under Obama do anything "good, positive and commendable" I will join the party.

There isn't room for you in the party, lol.
 
If you know where these republican criticisms are and the democratic praises, post them up for me to see. The US isn't always to blame, there just to be blamed when they've done wrong. For some, it only needs to be pointed out when its a democratic administration, and for others, it's only when there's a republican administration. I don't play that game, and for that, you want to call me an American hater, lol! Call it out wherever you see it MMC, and you will be credible, but the constant bashing of only one side is useless.

Monte you know where the Partisan politics forum is.....you can start with any Republican Contenders. Rather than talk all the BS. Go and see for yourself. You can check with Graham Santorum Paul Huckabee and oh yeah.....one of your favs Buuuuuuuuuuuuusssssh.

Oh and no.....I only called you out after over a year and half and not seeing anything other than your bashing of the US. Which as you aptly put it.....doesn't matter to you which side. Only that you get to bash the US for whatever you put up.

But then we don't see you putting up anything on what others are doing or get caught doing. Especially with Iran. Or the Saud. Turkey etc etc.

Nope none of them.....just the US.
 
Great list

Unfortunately for Bush, his foreign policy in the Middle East clouds many of the good things he was responsible for, and many of them are over looked.

Different folks will give you different answers on this I'm sure, but a few things that George Bush did that made America and some of the world better by my estimation would be:

Passing of Medicare Part D

His emergency plan for aids relief (I believe that under his leadership he did more for those suffering in Africa than any predecessor)

No child left behind act. Not unlike the PPACA, implementation was rocky, but on the whole, a noble idea. Anytime an American president puts resources into education, America wins.

Housing First for the homeless. A very noble enterprise, very American too.

Tsunami relief was another Bush success.

Declaring the worlds largest marine biology reserve off the state of Hawaii was a HUGE Bush environmental success.


I know I listed one too many, sorry.
 
Monte you know where the Partisan politics forum is.....you can start with any Republican Contenders. Rather than talk all the BS. Go and see for yourself. You can check with Graham Santorum Paul Huckabee and oh yeah.....one of your favs Buuuuuuuuuuuuusssssh.

Oh and no.....I only called you out after over a year and half and not seeing anything other than your bashing of the US. Which as you aptly put it.....doesn't matter to you which side. Only that you get to bash the US for whatever you put up.

But then we don't see you putting up anything on what others are doing or get caught doing. Especially with Iran. Or the Saud. Turkey etc etc.

Nope none of them.....just the US.

Of course. That would be for them to do. I'm an American, I live in America, I work in America, I vote in America and I pay taxes in America. It would be eating cheese cake to criticise Turkey or Saudi Arabia or Iran all day long. It takes courage to admit your own faults. It's what America is about that's of importance to me. That said, if you want to debate me, then debate me on the issues and stop lying. I have condemned Saudi Arabia for financing the 9/11 attacks and supplying fifteen of the attackers, I have criticised SA for crushing the Bahrain Arab Spring protests and for supporting the Islamic State. I have condemned Turkey for oppressing the Kurds, and for working with the US to smuggle arms from Benghazi to the terrorist infested fighters inside Syria, and I have criticised Iran for its support of Hamas and Hezbollah. Take my challenge I offered you earlier.
 
Of course. That would be for them to do. I'm an American, I live in America, I work in America, I vote in America and I pay taxes in America. It would be eating cheese cake to criticise Turkey or Saudi Arabia or Iran all day long. It takes courage to admit your own faults. It's what America is about that's of importance to me. That said, if you want to debate me, then debate me on the issues and stop lying. I have condemned Saudi Arabia for financing the 9/11 attacks and supplying fifteen of the attackers, I have criticised SA for crushing the Bahrain Arab Spring protests and for supporting the Islamic State. I have condemned Turkey for oppressing the Kurds, and for working with the US to smuggle arms from Benghazi to the terrorist infested fighters inside Syria, and I have criticised Iran for its support of Hamas and Hezbollah. Take my challenge I offered you earlier.


Theres nothing to take Kennedys term had 10 easy things that were favorable.. Oh and again all you have to do is look in that forum and your so called challenge has already been met. They didn't delete anything....that's if you really want to know. Where you can see it all in its glory. But then you are the one that's not in there checking it out.

Also I would say.....I'm not the only that has said anything to you about it. Maybe those books you have been reading over there. Tend to miss some important points. When it cones to Foreign Policy with other Nations. As it comes off that you excuse their actions. Always falling back where the US was at fault, and blaming the US.

Most Americans don't just blame the US for what others have done.....again that's most. Maybe you in a class all of your own. I don't know. Either way your aware of it....and more importantly. You know I am.
 
Theres nothing to take Kennedys term had 10 easy things that were favorable.. Oh and again all you have to do is look in that forum and your so called challenge has already been met. They didn't delete anything....that's if you really want to know. Where you can see it all in its glory. But then you are the one that's not in there checking it out.

Also I would say.....I'm not the only that has said anything to you about it. Maybe those books you have been reading over there. Tend to miss some important points. When it cones to Foreign Policy with other Nations. As it comes off that you excuse their actions. Always falling back where the US was at fault, and blaming the US.

Most Americans don't just blame the US for what others have done.....again that's most. Maybe you in a class all of your own. I don't know. Either way your aware of it....and more importantly. You know I am.

It's not a "so called challenge", I'll reiterate it for you here and now. Post me here in this thread ten things that you consider to be good, positive and commendable actions or policies of the Democratic Party and I'll do you the same with US foreign policy, or............continue to hide behind your assertions that it can be found somewhere else.

Btw, did you see post #443? It appears somebody else is afraid to acknowledge it as well. Have some guts MMC, and dispense with the constant barrage on the Democratic Party.
 
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