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Thread: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, F&L.

    It's the "D" after the name that matters - character will be looked into later. I have posted many times that I just don't think her heart's in it, and I've felt she may not run. Oh, she'd like to be POTUS, of course, but right now - I just don't think so. I'm probably wrong, but that's my thinking, and I will eat crow if I'm not correct. She keeps better track of the polls than anyone else does, and she knows what's waiting in the background to greet her announcement. It's not good politically to have your ability doubted before you even take office!
    What I know from my own studies and grape vine, is that she has a huge war chest. She has an even bigger PDF, political debt file, what she is owed, and a long, long list of "enemies"....there are a lot of resentments still over '08, where the Clintons were "enemied" by Obama; all the race card stuff etc.

    The word is that neither she nor Bill are in top shape physically, she is having a very hard time getting her weight down. It is said the campaign is moribund. Observers here, some of whom work for the Democrats as volunteers [which you need to make illegal NOW...allowing foreigners to help influence the vote,...] and they say the campaign is out of touch, her campaign theme is nearly 50 years old, her audiences mean age in the 40's.

    I also know she has been campaigning for seven years, full time for three; she has become a full time professional campaigner., her CV consists of being the estranged wife of a governor then president, and seasoned traveler. And we know that the demographics have shifted to the lower number.

    And the political landscape has shifted. She did not fair well in her "audition" as Secretary of State, she was weak on foreign policy before, and now has serious question marks about her ability and honesty.

    The Gruber Low Information Voter cuts two ways. Where the D's are championing her "escape" from Benghazi hell, now there are headlines about other 'stuff' and question marks in her term as SC, AND now a clear example of the lost ground to terrorists and the destabilization of Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Syria et al under her watch.

    If she runs, the nomination will be a coronation. But I do not think she has the stamina nor thick enough skin to face what will come at her. Obama in eight years has upped the ante, where "harsh" was the norm in US character assassination politics, 'cruelty and abuse' have replaced it. Watch for the Republicans to bring up Obama's people's charges of racism against her...me, I would be asking "why elect a woman who can't keep her man at home?" and other very cruel destructive questions that have nothing to do with any issues, just as the Obama camp has played. And I would also be sure to and bag her like the "47%" tape on Romney, only often and hard.

    I was once told by a Canadian master, a Francophone MP and Senator who had survived decades as a Liberal is that "politics is how we replaced warring to be leader. It is as cruel, perhaps more because it is bloodless. If is not, cruel, you are not in politics'

    The D's are just beginning to realize what they have wrought.
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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The left can't debate the issues-they will lose and know that. They seek to win through rhetoric, spin, attacks, derailment, etc.
    This of course is no different-because it can't be.
    True, the left looses because their interest is in party preservation, not American exceptionalism. Not unlike the way the right fails in their argument that the Iraq war was some success, despite the fact that an NIE produced while Bush was yet president declared that the invasion of Iraq was an impetus to terrorism, Islamic extremism and left America less safe, because like their partisan cousins on the left, their motive is party perpetuation rather than American exceptionalism.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I bet you think Hillary was telling the truth when she claimed that she dodged sniper fire in Bosnia....and that daughter Chelsea was jogging around the wtc towers when the jets hit them on 9/11/01.......and that Hillary and Bill were dead broke when they left the white house.
    How much?


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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    NIE's are not opinion pieces, and if they aren't good enough for you nothing is, and I suspect the latter because the fringe right is going to support Bush's failed Iraq policy, to the end.
    Thanks for providing the source.
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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ohhh now I see where this is going. This investigation that has found nothing in the past years, are now turning the page and instead not the attack itself, but now reasons for bombing Libya. Funny how they moved the goalposts. I guess this is the first time that Republicans are against dropping bombs on a country...
    Kind of hard to nail down such crimes when the white house, the justice department, and Hillery Clinton have stonewalled the investigations from the start. Previous administrations....even run by Hillary's husband bill at least allowed the appointment of a special prosecuter and somewhat cooperated with the investigations. The Obama administration tactic is just to stonewall and wait it out and hope it goes away just like "Fast and Furious". Personally I have two issues in regards to Benghazi. One is: Why did the administration initially refuse to accept that the attack and murder our our ambassasdor was a terrorist attack. And why did the administration rush to blame the attack on an obscure youtube video? Considering the fact that Hillary wants to run for president, I think the voters are entitled to straight answers including Hillary's involvement.

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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Thanks for providing the source.
    I posted it once in this thread already. If you really want to see it, go back and find it or easier, google it yourself. Really though, you're not going to care that the governments own conclusions, put into an NIE report are that the invasion of Iraq fuelled Islamic extremism, and terrorism, and made the US less safe, because of your history of support of that folly.
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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The left can't debate the issues-they will lose and know that. They seek to win through rhetoric, spin, attacks, derailment, etc.
    This of course is no different-because it can't be.
    Precisely.

    Anything BUT the core topic.....

    and anything but facts, opinion cited as facts.

    The number one sentence I have typed in forums is "Please provide a source"

    The number one response: "I posted it already, find it yourself"

    I need to go have a long laugh now
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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    And I think President Bush should have met with Cindy Sheehan.
    That would have been beneath the dignity of the executive office considering that Cindy Sheehan was a member of the extremist organization known as "Code Pink". It would have been more about that organization then what happened to her son.

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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    How much?
    Never mind how much. If you don't buy Hillary's comments regarding Bosnia, the WTC, and dead broke when leaving the white house, then I think it's safe to say that you are not all that sold on Hillary's credibility.

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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Precisely.

    Anything BUT the core topic.....

    and anything but facts, opinion cited as facts.

    The number one sentence I have typed in forums is "Please provide a source"

    The number one response: "I posted it already, find it yourself"

    I need to go have a long laugh now
    Lol, you and USC really need a bedroom.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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