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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Source?

    And no blogs or 12 year old opinion pieces
    NIE's are not opinion pieces, and if they aren't good enough for you nothing is, and I suspect the latter because the fringe right is going to support Bush's failed Iraq policy, to the end.
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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's a whole other debate. Just don't be denying that FDR's economic war was a provocation. It is nice to see so many republican right wingers defending a democratic president though not shocking, I know the fringe right would defend anyone interested in involving the US in war.
    Its just not a partisan issue to me. Japan didn't just attack the US on Dec 7th (8th). There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of FDR, this isn't one of them.

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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, F&L.

    It's the "D" after the name that matters - character will be looked into later. I have posted many times that I just don't think her heart's in it, and I've felt she may not run. Oh, she'd like to be POTUS, of course, but right now - I just don't think so. I'm probably wrong, but that's my thinking, and I will eat crow if I'm not correct. She keeps better track of the polls than anyone else does, and she knows what's waiting in the background to greet her announcement. It's not good politically to have your ability doubted before you even take office!
    Hi Polgara, hopefully your right, and won't be eating any crow, its nasty I hear anyway.
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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    NIE's demonstrate that the Iraq war produced a sharp increase in Islamic extremists leading to the total chaos in the ME today. And rather than arresting the problem, Obama has fanned the flames. But it takes guts to acknowledge both, something no partisan will ever do.
    I dont know what you mean by NIE. And in any case walking on eggshells to appease your enemies is worse.
    Just like Hillary lying to get us into war after shrieking about Bush doing the same is worse.

    She's going to see this brought up come election season.

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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its just not a partisan issue to me. Japan didn't just attack the US on Dec 7th (8th). There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of FDR, this isn't one of them.
    I have plenty I could continue on with on this subject, but obviously, somebodies....................going to report, so I'll refrain and just say that I hope this, or any other number of Hillary blunders derails any attempt of hers to win the WH.
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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, F&L.

    It's the "D" after the name that matters - character will be looked into later. I have posted many times that I just don't think her heart's in it, and I've felt she may not run. Oh, she'd like to be POTUS, of course, but right now - I just don't think so. I'm probably wrong, but that's my thinking, and I will eat crow if I'm not correct. She keeps better track of the polls than anyone else does, and she knows what's waiting in the background to greet her announcement. It's not good politically to have your ability doubted before you even take office!
    Historically being Sec of State has been seen as a stepping stone to the Presidency, but its a dual edged sword. In this case, she may have poked herself.
    Add in her prior failed attempt at POTUS and she's weakened her position even further-too much time in the national spotlight.

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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    To continue a theme....

    look at this thread. We are discussing a published document about new information about Hillary Clinton and her role in Libya.

    Look at the leftist replies. Look at the in thread warning. Look at the arguments.

    Few of them deal directly with the issue, the best posts are about the Japanese and World War II ad every topic BUT Hillary...the only people who are even sticking to the issue are right wingers and independents.

    There can no longer debate the issues....everything has to be revisionism, reductivism, deflection or excuses......

    The Democrats have two, only two figureheads and both as so weak they are held back by others or have their hands tied. Yeah, I would argue anything but current politics at that point too.
    The left can't debate the issues-they will lose and know that. They seek to win through rhetoric, spin, attacks, derailment, etc.
    This of course is no different-because it can't be.

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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont know what you mean by NIE. And in any case walking on eggshells to appease your enemies is worse.
    Just like Hillary lying to get us into war after shrieking about Bush doing the same is worse.

    She's going to see this brought up come election season.
    National Intelligence Estimates (our governments own findings are that the Iraq war fuels Islamic extremism, and made the US less safe)

    You're still trying to make the argument that FDR's provocations to Japan were justifiable. And I'm not talking about that. I'm merely pointing out that the notion that the US was minding our business and Japan sucker punched us without any provocation, is FALSE. But again, another thread.

    I do agree with you that Hillary lying us into war after repeatedly pointing out the FACT that Bush indeed had lied us into war is worse. And I would add that because of that, neither of them are, or were fit for the office.
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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The Moony Times and NewsMax? you must be kidding me.

    /thread
    I bet you think Hillary was telling the truth when she claimed that she dodged sniper fire in Bosnia....and that daughter Chelsea was jogging around the wtc towers when the jets hit them on 9/11/01.......and that Hillary and Bill were dead broke when they left the white house.

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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Mrs. Clinton is as practiced and casual a liar as President Pinocchio himself--and that takes some doing. When I am not calling her a damned commie witch, I think of her as "The Belle of Benghazi." They should get Tyrone Woods' father on tape saying what he thinks of her.
    Yes......I think Hillary and NBC anchor Brian Williams have much in common.

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