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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Not to derail the thread, but your non-sequitur on Japan is fiction and ignores Japan's creation of their Sphere of Influence.

    I love revisionism...even when it has absolutely nothing to do with the subject, there it is.

    Next is that FDR knew about the pending attack for days and let it happen because he wanted war.

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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Our "economic war" against Japan was in response to its invasion of Manchuria. It was absolutely justified.
    That's a whole other debate. Just don't be denying that FDR's economic war was a provocation. It is nice to see so many republican right wingers defending a democratic president though not shocking, I know the fringe right would defend anyone interested in involving the US in war.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Our "economic war" against Japan was in response to its invasion of Manchuria. It was absolutely justified.
    There has been also much classified data that shows FDR was responding to requests to do so from Britain and the USSR, who stood to lose a lot should the Japanese EMpire make good on its intent to invade and conquer.
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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We left Iraq before it was ready to stand on its own two feet. We should have stayed much longer. Decades longer-and out Potus, and the one before him should have made the case for that.
    NIE's demonstrate that the Iraq war produced a sharp increase in Islamic extremists leading to the total chaos in the ME today. And rather than arresting the problem, Obama has fanned the flames. But it takes guts to acknowledge both, something no partisan will ever do.
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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    This is how O-pologists do it. Take credit only for things that benefit them politically, blame away all its failings.
    To continue a theme....

    look at this thread. We are discussing a published document about new information about Hillary Clinton and her role in Libya.

    Look at the leftist replies. Look at the in thread warning. Look at the arguments.

    Few of them deal directly with the issue, the best posts are about the Japanese and World War II ad every topic BUT Hillary...the only people who are even sticking to the issue are right wingers and independents.

    There can no longer debate the issues....everything has to be revisionism, reductivism, deflection or excuses......

    The Democrats have two, only two figureheads and both as so weak they are held back by others or have their hands tied. Yeah, I would argue anything but current politics at that point too.
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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    NIE's demonstrate that the Iraq war produced a sharp increase in Islamic extremists leading to the total chaos in the ME today. And rather than arresting the problem, Obama has fanned the flames. But it takes guts to acknowledge both, something no partisan will ever do.
    Source?

    And no blogs or 12 year old opinion pieces
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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    What?


    Ah, wait.

    Obama inherited this mess and now Hillary had her hands tied.

    I am certain and I will make a large, huge in fact, issue of this in the next election so I would ask that you provide documentation as to who and how she was in bondage in the service of Obama

    It would be essential for the American people to know the weakness of character for someone to be subservient in a cabinet position; it clearly suggests she could be bound if not gagged should she ever somehow become president.


    Weakness like that becomes cowardice if it isn't already and coupled with her demonstrated incompetence and penchant for dishonesty she is clearly ill suited to be a meter maid let alone in high office of any kind
    Greetings, F&L.

    It's the "D" after the name that matters - character will be looked into later. I have posted many times that I just don't think her heart's in it, and I've felt she may not run. Oh, she'd like to be POTUS, of course, but right now - I just don't think so. I'm probably wrong, but that's my thinking, and I will eat crow if I'm not correct. She keeps better track of the polls than anyone else does, and she knows what's waiting in the background to greet her announcement. It's not good politically to have your ability doubted before you even take office!

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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Tell me USC, you've seen enough of my posting to understand my position, do you think I wouldn't have been bitching about Obama going into Libya.

    As to Hillary, yes, I think they will, as certainly as republicans rewarded Bush's lies on Iraq with a second term.
    Im not saying you didn't hold that position, Im saying it wasn't demonstrated here. I can take you for your word but thats all weve got here.

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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ah yes, like red lines: Obama and

    We will stay the course: Bush

    I agree.
    Bush did stay the course-he didn't tuck tail and leave when the left was pressuring him to-he was of course bound by his term in office. Iraq would probably look very different today if he had remained in office-but of course thats water over the dam.

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    Re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I love revisionism...even when it has absolutely nothing to do with the subject, there it is.

    Next is that FDR knew about the pending attack for days and let it happen because he wanted war.

    Love these guys, so entertaining
    See my sig. When the facts dont add up they will find ways to make them fit-even with revisionism, bizarre conspiracies, etc.

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