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Thread: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, I'm not partisan, what is with you people. I was bitching about the O administrations false claims on Libya and Gaddafi while this was unfolding. While most partisan righties were in full support of the Libyan operation. Not only was there nothing close to genocide taking place in Libya, the UN resolution for the authorisation of force was tethered to civilian protection NOT regime change. Remember, this is where Russia and China parted company with the US in a big way, and the very much stated reason that they denied the US authorisation at the UN for use of force in Syria. Libya was the sham that Iraq was. The only problem is that your partisan blinders only allow you to see these things when they are done by democrats. What a waste of ****ing time you are!!!!
    According to your posted info you joined the board after Libya occurred. Im not saying you weren't against it, but it is what it is.
    If Hillary lied to get American in a foreign war (like the left claims Bush did) than surely she's just ended her chance at being president, because no lefty and many dems wont vote for her-no?

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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Kucinich is not making anything up. And while your about believing Kucinich suddenly, start listening to what he's said about Iraq, and stop being such a partisan hack. Libya isn't the first time Americas been taken to war on FALSE PRETENSE!!!!!!!!!!!
    Very well, Im just looking forward to libs demonstrating their staunch values by booting Hillary in the primary. Surely they can't support another Bush in the form of Hillary, correct? 3rd party 2016?

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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Neither party seems to care much about lies and falsehoods so long as their ideology is advanced by that deception. Democrats, for example, are about to coronate Hillary 'sniper fire' Clinton as their candidate for liar in chief to replace Barak 'you can keep you plan' Obama. When honesty isn't a virtue in politicians, how can anyone be surprised we have so many dishonest political leaders.
    Lets not forget that her actions led to the deaths of 4 Americans. "What difference does it make?" she responded.

    The bottom line is when you reward a particular behavior you get more of it. Will the dems/left reward Hillary with a vote?

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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    With any luck, this destroys her potential bid for the WH.
    We will see, she has 9 lives. That said, even with our profoundly left leaning media Im surprised I haven't seen more on this.

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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    In addition, it is clear that US strikes in Pakistan foster anti-American sentiment and undermine US credibility not only in Pakistan but throughout the region. There is strong evidence to suggest that US drone strikes have facilitated recruitment to violent non-state armed groups, and motivate attacks against both US military and civilian targets. Further, current US targeted killing and drone strike practices may set dangerous global legal precedents, erode the rule of law, and facilitate recourse to lethal force.

    Strategic Considerations | Living Under Drones

    Why drone strikes are real enemy in 'war on terror'
    Why drone strikes are real enemy in 'war on terror' - CNN.com

    Pero, have you noticed that the captives being publicly killed by the Islamic State are hauled out in orange jumpsuits? You cannot deny the tool that Gitmo is!!!!!
    Another liberal thinker, John Kerry actually went to Pakistan and told them we were ending our drone program there-they cheered until Kerry got home and it turns out he wasn't authorized to make that promise, and we in fact had no intentions of doing so.

    This is Obama's famous smart diplomacy in action.

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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    And Iraq wasn't the first time either.

    What real threat was Vietnam to the USA?
    You'd have to ask the democrats that got the US into that war...

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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I will not deny to a few you are absolutely right. But I would suggest to most of the new recruits what we do in Pakistan, GITMO has little to nothing to do with them joining ISIS. We could stop everything today and the recruitment would continue. This in my opinion is more of an ideological battle in which we are fighting with the military.

    This war to be successful has to be fought on both fronts, the military and ideological sides. Regardless of what we do in Pakistan or with GITMO, the hard core Islamic extremist are not going to become nice to us. They have one goal, an Islamic Califat and then spreading their brand of Islam throughout the world.

    We can defeat them militarily, drive ISIS out of Iraq and even destroy most of them in Syria. We have the power to do that. But ideological wise, only the moderate Islamist can defeat the extremist. Not some western power who understands little about Islam. One also has to remember factions in Islam have been at war with each other for what seems like forever. Shia vs. Sunni and then the different sects in each group.

    There really is no easy answer in my opinion.
    I dont disagree with this-but the way of the Arab world is largely force and subjugation. How can they stand if ISIS has their heels on their necks?

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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    The US left....

    All that is true of what I see in the Democrats and their supporters. As much as the left here is irresponsible, we do not hear a constant refrain aimed at leaders and failed leaders going back 30 to 50 years.

    Frankly, I have never seen this from a leading politician in my life. We have had some pretty stupid and inept leaders, Stephan Dion wanted to be Prime Minister because he had a dog named Kyoto, his only party trick was signing the Kyoto accord. The current NDP leader, a socialist, hasn't a clue about this country, thinks a higher minimum wage is the answer to terrorism and bad weather.

    However, I have never heard any of them or their followers ever say their current troubles were because of history, Luis St Laurent, Pierre Trudeau or even another country.

    This is a unique thing we have here, specific to a section of the national culture of America...more likely specific to Obama.

    It is a disease. This morning I was reminded of my kids, when very little and were caught, the answer was often "somebody did it." This is just a culture of that virus infecting the lame, lazy and stupid. They have run out of defenses, notice they cannot defend "you can keep your plan" with this garbage as no other president in history has ever lied so blatantly.

    and there I think is the nature of the problem. This loser from Poverty Pimp Inc. looked so good, he was glib and slick and promised EVERYTHING, he raised hopes so high they were dreams, but this soft-voiced negro sold them utopia, "fee everything" and punish the "rich too" but they never looked behind the facade to see that he was the rich....good leaders seek to represent everyone, Obama waged war on "enemies"

    So now, with the highest hopes turned to coals of resentment, the realization that this guy is a sack of ****, incompetent, dishonest and less than ready to defend America, his successor in the dynasty as bad or worse, incompetent, a liar, a coward as well....as well as old and fat they cannot bring themselves to admit that they have been hoodwinked, that the last seven years have been more than a waste of time and there has been no change, "hope" is a girl's name and they are, in the vernacular, ****ed.

    The personal character of Obama, his attitude toward "them" as in "guns and Bibles", "others" has divided the United States more than at any other time in my 65 years, and that includes the Vietnam era. He entered office on an excuse "I inherited this mess" as if every other president did not inherit a mess....Reagan was I would say right up there.

    Obama is a baby. His followers sense that and protect him with a blanket of vile, lies about history, now dead leaders [who the **** rakes the dead?] accusations of misdeeds and assaults on character...low life, scum sucking tactics thrown out like cowardly hockey players trying to look tough. They are not. They float on a wave of deceit, attack the messenger and assail character, sometimes the color of skin of an adopted baby, often the character of the dead, and save the most vile name calling "****" "whore" "slut' for Sarah Palin a woman who has never held national office.

    No sir, this is not a "leftist" issue, I actually can maintain respect for leftists here, this is a disease of character where those who have none have to rip aopart those who do and even better when their dead, because they can't defend themselves.

    It won't be 40 years. I am certain that I will see a collapse in my lifetime unless you people quit arguing about history and elect another Reagan...next time.

    Without that, you will go down with the motto"

    "It's the crusades fault!"
    I hope you are wrong about this nations remaining time. But many of the signs are there-weve seen them in other pinnacle nations before-its well studied.

    Dark days are ahead, I fear. Just today at work we were discussing Obama and not a person there, even the wide eyed lefties hesitated a moment to say this is the worst things have ever been. In context, its remarkable how destructive leftism has been in just 50 or so years.
    Some of the deadliest diseases are very slow onset, and by the time signs manifest the damage has been done.

    But I plan to fight for this place.

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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Despite my hatred of Hillary, I see little hear other than a poor policy decision to try and get involved in the Middle East.
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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Yep, but not this.

    We did not know she lied to Obama, the contents of this new file etc.

    And yes, I want an investigation for the fact too much is still now known. her roll in letting the terrorists escape and a good raking over the coals simply to get even for her being an absolute bitch along with Pelosi, Reid, "enemies" Obama, and the rest of the sloth that turned the US congress into a ****ing side show.

    So side show it is, get used to it. Your president set the lowest common denominator for using congress to heap slime at your opponent, and now its gutter time, as in payback and what was that "What difference, AT THIS POINT does it make?"....as at this point she looks at least as slimy as Obama, and she's not black, not good looking and not very bright.

    The Democrats set the priority as intra warfare, and now, for two years the lying left is going to get pay back. As dirty as Reid and the nuclear option can make ikt and you, the blathering masses of Gruberville and Obama himself are powerless to stop it."

    Welcome to the train wreck
    The dems are going to be made to understand that elections have consequences.

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