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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    That is an extremely misleading assertion. I am not misled by it, and neither should anyone else be. I am happy to see you show your credibility to everyone reading this thread.



    Did you learn that from a Michael Moore movie, or Mother Jones? You don't have the vaguest notion what nationality those hijackers were, and neither does anyone else. Do you really imagine Al Qaeda did not have experts who supported its operations with all sorts of forged documents? It had two cells just in Spain that specialized in doing exactly that. And your assertion that Saudi Arabia financed the 9/11 attacks is a pipe dream, with no reliable evidence whatever to support it.



    Having seen you run the U.S. down repeatedly on several threads here, I can easily believe you're thankful the lying, un-American Red who is disgracing the White House is not doing more against this country's Islamic jihadist enemies.
    Neither of those sources, but the head of the investigative team that has seen the yet classified 28 pages of the 9/11 report.

    Mr. Lynch and his allies have been joined by former Senator Bob Graham of Florida, who as chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee was a leader of the inquiry. He has called for the release of the report’s Part 4, which dealt with Saudi Arabia, since President George W. Bush ordered it classified when the rest of the report was released in December 2002.

    Mr. Graham has repeatedly said it shows that Saudi Arabia was complicit in the Sept. 11 attacks. “The 28 pages primarily relate to who financed 9/11, and they point a very strong finger at Saudi Arabia as being the principal financier,” Mr. Graham said last month as he pressed for the pages to be made public.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/05/us...11-report.html
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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    That is an extremely misleading assertion. I am not misled by it, and neither should anyone else be. I am happy to see you show your credibility to everyone reading this thread.



    Did you learn that from a Michael Moore movie, or Mother Jones? You don't have the vaguest notion what nationality those hijackers were, and neither does anyone else. Do you really imagine Al Qaeda did not have experts who supported its operations with all sorts of forged documents? It had two cells just in Spain that specialized in doing exactly that. And your assertion that Saudi Arabia financed the 9/11 attacks is a pipe dream, with no reliable evidence whatever to support it.



    Having seen you run the U.S. down repeatedly on several threads here, I can easily believe you're thankful the lying, un-American Red who is disgracing the White House is not doing more against this country's Islamic jihadist enemies.
    Having seen you run down the president as you have your entire history here, a bit hypocritical of you to complain as you do. You think your some American patriot or something match, hmmm?
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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

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    Nice deflection. The Benghazi ambassador and his few protectors died because Hilary played politics and it back fired on her.

    Just one of her foreign policy faux pas that will ensure her political downfall. I didn't think you knew anything about it.
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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That is totally true, not unlike the evidence that exists that Bush lied about Iraq from day one. Now, the question is, what the **** are we going to do about our leaders that keep doing this to us, and those poor citizens of the Middle East that are victimised by it???? Keep pretending that only the other party does it?
    I agree, we have to hold everyone accountable!


    Now, I said I was going to post MSM information saying that the Obama administration was lying about Libya since day one. Here it is.

    1. The White House was saying that Gaddafi was bombing/raping civilians, which played a major catalyst as to why we went in. This is false.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I would say that an intervention in Syria is possible. However, I would like to say that there is a lot of going on in regards to Syria.

    In regards to Libya, there was no investigation into if the accusations against Gaddafi even held any weight. For example:

    [INDENT]"Human rights organisations have cast doubt on claims of mass rape and other abuses perpetrated by forces loyal to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, which have been widely used to justify Nato's war in Libya." (Amnesty questions claim that Gaddafi ordered rape as weapon of war - Africa - World - The Independent)

    "Still, the rebels have offered their own far-fetched claims, like mass rapes by loyalist troops issued tablets of Viagra. Although the rebels have not offered credible proof, that claim is nonetheless the basis of an investigation by the International Criminal Court." (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/wo...pagewanted=all)
    See this as well:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Actually

    Q: Do you see any evidence that he [Gaddafi] actually has fired on his own people from the air? There were reports of it, but do you have independent confirmation? If so, to what extent?

    SEC. GATES: We’ve seen the press reports, but we have no confirmation of that.

    ADM. MULLEN: That’s correct. We’ve seen no confirmation whatsoever.

    Source: Defense.gov News Transcript: DOD News Briefing with Secretary Gates and Adm. Mullen from the Pentagon

    Look here as well: Russia Intel Satelite shows Gaddafi Did NOT Attack His People - YouTube
    2. Obama said that due to the limited nature of our engagement in Libya, he didn't need Congressional approval. This is actually false.

    Obama actually violated the War Powers Act as

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    he War Powers Act does allow for the President to use force without Congressional authorization for 90 days, but only in certain circumstances.


    • 1. A declaration of war

      2. A specific statutory authorization

      3. A national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
    (Avalon Project - War Powers Resolution)

    "Specific statutory authorization” in this case means Congressional approval, as the root word, statute, is defined as “a law enacted by the legislative branch of a government.” (Statute - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary)
    In addition to this, he alleged that he was protecting civilians when the true goal of the operation was to overthrow Gaddafi.

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    Enforcing a no fly zone my ass. The main goal was to overthrow Gaddafi. The UN Security Council Resolution clearly stated (ODS HOME PAGE) for UN members "to take all necessary measures [...] to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory."

    Obama, Sarkozy, and Cameron even admitted it (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/op...edlibya15.html) when they said "Our duty and our mandate under U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973 is to protect civilians, and we are doing that. It is not to remove Qaddafi by force. But it is impossible to imagine a future for Libya with Qaddafi in power." (emphasis added)

    So yeah, we have been lied to about Libya since day one.
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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I agree, we have to hold everyone accountable!


    Now, I said I was going to post MSM information saying that the Obama administration was lying about Libya since day one. Here it is.

    1. The White House was saying that Gaddafi was bombing/raping civilians, which played a major catalyst as to why we went in. This is false.



    See this as well:



    2. Obama said that due to the limited nature of our engagement in Libya, he didn't need Congressional approval. This is actually false.

    Obama actually violated the War Powers Act as



    In addition to this, he alleged that he was protecting civilians when the true goal of the operation was to overthrow Gaddafi.




    So yeah, we have been lied to about Libya since day one.
    Indubitably, which is precisely why both Russia and China vetoed all US attempts to secure a resolution for force in Syria, they didn't want a redux of Libya.
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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Having seen you run down the president as you have your entire history here, a bit hypocritical of you to complain as you do. You think your some American patriot or something match, hmmm?
    The notion that a person's criticism of a president of the United States is evidence of that person's dislike of the United States itself is ludicrous. Do you imagine Barack Obama is some kind of emperor we all must bow down to? It's exactly because I and millions of other Americans love this country that we hate to see a damned statist liar who has disdain for everything about it, and who does not wish it well, disgracing the White House. It's easy to understand why statists who share Obama's distaste for this country and his readiness to appease its enemies think so well of him.

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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So you can successfully predict the vote of all liberals?
    No need, pollsters and election results tell the tale.

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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, she got tricked by the French and she was listening to Susan Rice her Ambassador in the UN. This is what people have been saying with going after Hillary. Not just due to her Incompetence with Benghazi. But her real screw up with Libya and the how she got BO peep to tag along.
    If she lied to get us into a war, thats extraordinary news. I guess we shall see.

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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Uhhh.....it took action from a UN Ambassador and a Sec. of State to get the ball rolling and get the US involved.

    Oh you must have forgot the bill Dick Durbin pressed forward to get more arms to the Ukrainians and get them more aid. As usual only looking at the Republicans.....while feigning concern about a hack show.

    Looks like you are more concerned about Hillary than finding out about any truth.
    This thread delivers in the lefty replies. Im loving it.

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    re: Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Top Pentagon officials and a senior Democrat in Congress so distrusted Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s 2011 march to war in Libya that they opened their own diplomatic channels with the Gadhafi regime in an effort to halt the escalating crisis, according to secret audio recordings recovered from Tripoli.

    The tapes, reviewed by The Washington Times and authenticated by the participants, chronicle U.S. officials’ unfiltered conversations with Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s son and a top Libyan leader, including criticisms that Mrs. Clinton had developed tunnel vision and led the U.S. into an unnecessary war without adequately weighing the intelligence community’s concerns.


    Read more: Hillary Clinton undercut on Libya war by Pentagon and Congress, secret tapes reveal - Washington Times
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    More here... http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/621724

    A few interesting points here... It suggests that Hillary was relying on false intelligence to go into Libya. Hillary was apparently pushing the genocide angle, is Kucinich lying?

    In any case, its interesting what parallels between the lefts arguments on Iraq and going into Libya are...
    The Main Stream Media won't touch it, and with a Nation full of Grubercrats, this will be a non-issue. The Media has having Hillary's Crown sized.

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