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Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

Boo Radley said:
It is just one more thing you are factually challenged on, so you being secure isn't comforting or convincing. :coffeepap
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I don't guess it would be for the dhimmi's of the world. But, I'll tell you this, there are more in country that agree with me, than those with their head in the sand pretending like all of the world's ill's are our fault like you.
 
Grant said:
Perhaps you can point out where George Bush ever lied. It was Obama who lied, not Bush, which might be an understandable error for someone who doesn't follow politics all that much.
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I've done that many times. There are none so blind as one who will not see.
 
Grant said:
My memory is fine. Are you actually denying your claim that Obamacare would save money?More importantly, has it been than what BHO portrayed?
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By all means link what I said. I'll happily explain it to you again.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
How am i an anomoly? Feel free to call horizion bcbs and compare thier open acess hmo plan to the silver epo plan that was available prior to the aca.

Do you have evidence of cost savings?


Let me ask you, does the math work for you? Insure all these peo
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I told you mine went down 2%. You can search yourself and find that there has been virtually no difference than the expected increases before ACA. Understand, the costs of more insured are balanced with more paying.
 
j-mac said:
I don't guess it would be for the dhimmi's of the world. But, I'll tell you this, there are more in country that agree with me, than those with their head in the sand pretending like all of the world's ill's are our fault like you.
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This is called the ad Populum fallacy. Something being popular in no way means it's correct. The real trouble with the our country today is that so many can be so easily manipulated to hate. Those who are making this argument against Obama have lost the ability to listen and to reason. It's a sad thing to watch.
 
Boo Radley said:
This is called the ad Populum fallacy. Something being popular in no way means it's correct. The real trouble with the our country today is that so many can be so easily manipulated to hate. Those who are making this argument against Obama have lost the ability to listen and to reason. It's a sad thing to watch.
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Yeah, it's everyone else....That must be it....:roll:
 
j-mac said:
Yeah, it's everyone else....That must be it....:roll:
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As many, like with this faux outrage, make stuff out of whole cloth, . . . yeah, . . . . there's some blame there. Yes.
 
Boo Radley said:
As many, like with this faux outrage, make stuff out of whole cloth, . . . yeah, . . . . there's some blame there. Yes.
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The blame in my opinion lays with liberals that constantly have to make the height of dishonest leaps, and twists to defend the indefensible with this liar in the Oval office.
 
j-mac said:
The blame in my opinion lays with liberals that constantly have to make the height of dishonest leaps, and twists to defend the indefensible with this liar in the Oval office.
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Like with this thread, the leap is not with liberals. The Obama derangement disorder is in full tilt here.
 
Boo Radley said:
Like with this thread, the leap is not with liberals. The Obama derangement disorder is in full tilt here.
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Not even on the level of BDS that was witnessed coming from liberals.
 
j-mac said:
Not even on the level of BDS that was witnessed coming from liberals.
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Much worse, yes. If you guys work at it, you might improve to BDS levels. Try reading the stuff put up on Obama, . . . with a rational mind.
 
Boo Radley said:
I told you mine went down 2%. You can search yourself and find that there has been virtually no difference than the expected increases before ACA. Understand, the costs of more insured are balanced with more paying.
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So you acknowledge it went up.


It was promised to go down.



Ours jumped by more than the "Expected increases".


This is the Horizion bcbs plans available to my company in Manhattan, NYC.


More Expensive Under Obamacare - Business Insider



if you went down, you were the exception.



What plan? what state? was it the same plan before ACA? if not what plan was it? I'm thinking your not telling the whole story here, deductibles? out of network? max out of pocket? specialists? perscriptions?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
So you acknowledge it went up.


It was promised to go down.



Ours jumped by more than the "Expected increases".


This is the Horizion bcbs plans available to my company in Manhattan, NYC.


More Expensive Under Obamacare - Business Insider



if you went down, you were the exception.



What plan? what state? was it the same plan before ACA? if not what plan was it? I'm thinking your not telling the whole story here, deductibles? out of network? max out of pocket? specialists? perscriptions?
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No more than expected. ACA was not the cause of it going up. And yes, going down, like a the huge increases, was an exception. The point is, ACA is not the cause.

Blue cross Blue Shield, Alliance Select. Same benefits (no change) 2% decrease in premiums last year. Under Bush premiums doubled with lost of benefits (damned Obama Care). Mere rising costs doesn't mean reform had anything to do with the raise.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
So you acknowledge it went up.


It was promised to go down.



Ours jumped by more than the "Expected increases".


This is the Horizion bcbs plans available to my company in Manhattan, NYC.


More Expensive Under Obamacare - Business Insider



if you went down, you were the exception.



What plan? what state? was it the same plan before ACA? if not what plan was it? I'm thinking your not telling the whole story here, deductibles? out of network? max out of pocket? specialists? perscriptions?
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Mine are just a little more recent than yours: Key Study On Obamacare 2015 Premium Rates Is Out And You Won't Believe What's Going To Happen - Forbes

This reports the average premium down 0.8%: Obama’s Numbers October 2014 Update
 
Boo Radley said:
No more than expected. ACA was not the cause of it going up. And yes, going down, like a the huge increases, was an exception. The point is, ACA is not the cause.

Blue cross Blue Shield, Alliance Select. Same benefits (no change) 2% decrease in premiums last year. Under Bush premiums doubled with lost of benefits (damned Obama Care). Mere rising costs doesn't mean reform had anything to do with the raise.
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BCBS NC up 25%
Blue Cross Blue Shield N.C. announces double-digit rate increases for 2015 insurance plans - Greensboro - Triad Business Journal



Since you didn't give me a state, I had to just look around.


I'm not sure why your deflecting to bush, all I know is they cancelled our corporate plan (hmo open access) even though obama said we could keep it, then when we got the closest plan in benefits EVERYTHING went up, and we lost benefits and out of pocket increased.


kNow one I know, and I know many business owners, not one has said thier insurance went down.


In fact, it was promised it would come down by $2500 on average.


Can you link to me where that happened?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
BCBS NC up 25%
Blue Cross Blue Shield N.C. announces double-digit rate increases for 2015 insurance plans - Greensboro - Triad Business Journal



Since you didn't give me a state, I had to just look around.


I'm not sure why your deflecting to bush, all I know is they cancelled our corporate plan (hmo open access) even though obama said we could keep it, then when we got the closest plan in benefits EVERYTHING went up, and we lost benefits and out of pocket increased.


kNow one I know, and I know many business owners, not one has said thier insurance went down.


In fact, it was promised it would come down by $2500 on average.


Can you link to me where that happened?
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Try Iowa. And try large group policy.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes, predictions. Not results. It was predicted for 2014 as well. Didn't happen. I'm looking at what happened. Not predictions.
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Do you have any proof?


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So forgive me but to suggest your costs have been going down, seems to be the exception not the rule and I am not really convinced it's gone down.
 
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