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Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

MildSteel said:
Since you have tried to put words in my mouth, like I said, go back and read what I have said, if you can read.
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I did read it. I also realize that you have repeated refused to address what you wrote or even attempt to clarify what your position is so it's all too obvious that you know you said something so monumentally stupid that even YOU don't want to go read it again.
 
Grant said:
LOL!

It's Obama's job to speak the truth??

The lyingest President in US history??
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Who gives a **** what a Canadian thinks about an American president. I told you long ago to concern yourself with Canada's contribution to the ridiculous "war on terror"
 
Manc Skipper said:
He was so concerned he never directy spoke of it.... Not to his twelve all-male party pals.
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Matthew 19:4-6: 4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

So if marriage is between a man and a woman by God's design then that would make homosexuality a form of fornication which is a sin.
 
Should Obama address Congress with this:

"Lest Democrats get on their high horse, it should be remembered that slavery, bigotry, racism, homophobia, gender discrimination, Jim Crow laws, racial segregation and gerrymanders all have been done in the Democratic name."

Why hasn't he?
 
jmotivator said:
I did read it. I also realize that you have repeated refused to address what you wrote or even attempt to clarify what your position is so it's all too obvious that you know you said something so monumentally stupid that even YOU don't want to go read it again.
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Lol dude, take a look at sentence structure. What the hell are you even talking about? This is beyond typo!
 
jmotivator said:
Matthew 19:4-6: 4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

So if marriage is between a man and a woman by God's design then that would make homosexuality a form of fornication which is a sin.
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Oh dear!!
 
MildSteel said:
You totally right. Very, very good point. That said, there are aspects of the Old Testament that Jesus did want his followers to adhere to. But again, I agree with you here. I yield that point because it is a very strong one and is something that I feel strongly about myself.



The point is this, although Jesus taught non-violence with regards to one's personal situation, when it came to directly disrespecting God, he was violent. Therefore you cannot say that violence has absolutely no place in Christianity. However, that should be reserved for someone, like Jesus, whose sole motivation is to please God.
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What a big lie. The Bible gives no account of Jesus being violent against another person. Tossing over tables is not an act of violence.

The desperation to try to claim the roots of Christianity have ANY similarity to the roots of Islam leads to making every possible false claim. Unlike the account of Jesus, it is historic fact that Muhammad was a killer, engaged in murderous raids, lead wars and invasions, ordered the destruction of non-Islamic temples, and called for people to be forced to convert.

Christianity was started by the "Prince of Peace." Islam was started by the "Prince of War." ISIS and the other violent militant Muslims is their attempting to return to the original Islamic religion of war, forced conversion, forced submission to religious laws, and expansion of a Islamic empire by terror, war and invasion. That is the origins of the Islamic religion.

All the nice-talk of Obama and others about 'Islam is a religion of peace" is false and always has been false. It is a religion of war and has been from it's very start and by it's founder.
 
joko104 said:
What a big lie. The Bible gives no account of Jesus being violent against another person. Tossing over tables is not an act of violence.

The desperation to try to claim the roots of Christianity have ANY similarity to the roots of Islam leads to making every possible false claim. Unlike the account of Jesus, it is historic fact that Muhammad was a killer, engaged in murderous raids, lead wars and invasions, ordered the destruction of non-Islamic temples, and called for people to be forced to convert.

Christianity was started by the "Prince of Peace." Islam was started by the "Prince of War." ISIS and the other violent militant Muslims is their attempting to return to the original Islamic religion of war, forced conversion, forced submission to religious laws, and expansion of a Islamic empire by terror, war and invasion. That is the origins of the Islamic religion.

All the nice-talk of Obama and others about 'Islam is a religion of peace" is false and always has been false. It is a religion of war and has been from it's very start and by it's founder.
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Lol, as though the bible is serious piece of work.
 
A US President should not try to be an amateur-theologian of any particular religion.
 
MildSteel said:
I said EXACTLY what I meant. Nothing more, nothing less.No it isn't because that was certainly violence. The difference in that case is that it was violence committed in the process of the glorification of God. The motivation is key. Jesus was not angry because something that someone had done to him. He was angry that God's property was being misused. That is glorified anger. Do you not realize that anger can be used in the service of God? The motivation must be pure however.
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Flipping a table over is not violence. This is violence. http://www.barenakedislam.com/category/beheadings-graphic
 
jmotivator said:
Matthew 19:4-6: 4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

So if marriage is between a man and a woman by God's design then that would make homosexuality a form of fornication which is a sin.
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Tortuous inference. C-
 
Grant said:
You should look at the founders of the religion and what their philosophies were if you want to discuss the subject seriously.
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We can have that discussion if you would like. I am ready.
 
Grant said:
HUH? What has that got to do with anything?
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If you had followed the thread you would have seen that I said that Saudi Arabia wanted the U.S. to topple Assad. Israel does not appear to want the U.S. to have a nuclear deal with Iran. The people of the U.S. did not elect Obama to cater to Saudi Arabia or Israel.
 
jmotivator said:
I did read it. I also realize that you have repeated refused to address what you wrote or even attempt to clarify what your position is so it's all too obvious that you know you said something so monumentally stupid that even YOU don't want to go read it again.
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I don't have to read it again. Something else for you. There were some people who wanted to use rhetoric to trap Jesus. Jesus told them that deceit has it's origins in the devil. The problem is that you appear to want my words to mean something other than what they mean for the sake of advancing some political position. What I said is the truth. Anger can be used to serve God. Jesus became very angry and indeed did use violence when he saw that the Temple of God was being used for something other than the glorification of God. The difference in Jesus, and people who are bewildered by mundane things, including political power, is that Jesus was motivated by love of God. Mundane people who are bewildered by mundane things do not have such love of God, and as such their motivation is not pure. Therefore such persons should not try to imitate Jesus, but rather follow his instructions.
 
jpn said:
Jonah Goldberg is what dumb people think intellectuals are like.
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Really.....I usually take on the Best liberals and Progs have to offer. Not that they are remotely close to ever being the best. But whatever ya do.....don't start whining and crying about grammar and spelling. It gets old after 50 years.
 
MildSteel said:
I don't have to read it again. Something else for you. There were some people who wanted to use rhetoric to trap Jesus. Jesus told them that deceit has it's origins in the devil. The problem is that you appear to want my words to mean something other than what they mean for the sake of advancing some political position. What I said is the truth. Anger can be used to serve God. Jesus became very angry and indeed did use violence when he saw that the Temple of God was being used for something other than the glorification of God. The difference in Jesus, and people who are bewildered by mundane things, including political power, is that Jesus was motivated by love of God. Mundane people who are bewildered by mundane things do not have such love of God, and as such their motivation is not pure. Therefore such persons should not try to imitate Jesus, but rather follow his instructions.
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Nope. My reading of what you said is not unique. I have asked you to clarify your point several times now, assuming my reading of it is flawed, and you refuse to clarify. This appears to be because you know that everyone read your statement correctly and you know any backtracking now would be measured against what you actually said. It's a common debate tactic by people who paint themselves into a corner and it always amazes me that people can fool themselves into believing it is effective.

Stop digging your hole.
 
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joko104 said:
What a big lie.
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Here's something for you from the second chapter of John

Translation of the New International version
15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.
16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!”
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Translation of the King James version
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
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Grant said:
Flipping a table over is not violence.
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You can join others in the deceit that I am defending the actions of ISIS if you wish. That is your business.

That said

14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money.
15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.
16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!”
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Montecresto said:
Lol, as though the bible is serious piece of work.
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This discussion illustrates well why religion should be left out of politics. People who are bewildered by mundane things simply cannot understand such concepts properly without proper guidance. Therefore it should be left out of politics.
 
Yeah, this stuff has been going on for quite a while. Amazing.

13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words.
14 They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not?
15 Should we pay or shouldn’t we?”

But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

“Caesar’s,” they replied.

17 Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.”

And they were amazed at him.
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