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Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

MildSteel said:
That is true. However, Jewish kings such as David and Joshua did engage in battle. And even Jesus himself used violence to cleanse the Temple of greedy people.
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Banksters are bad people.
 
MildSteel said:
I said EXACTLY what I meant. Nothing more, nothing less.

No it isn't because that was certainly violence. The difference in that case is that it was violence committed in the process of the glorification of God. The motivation is key. Jesus was not angry because something that someone had done to him. He was angry that God's property was being misused. That is glorified anger. Do you not realize that anger can be used in the service of God? The motivation must be pure however.
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So....

Raping, pillaging, beheading, crucifixions, burning people alive are equal to flipping tables.

Have I summed up your argument well?
 
jmotivator said:
So....

Raping, pillaging, beheading, crucifixions, burning people alive are equal to flipping tables.

Have I summed up your argument well?
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Can you read?
 
MildSteel said:
Can you read?
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I am just making sure your argument is actually as crazy as it sounds.

That you won't openly confirm of deny my summation leaves me to conclude you know your argument is crazy as well.
 
jmotivator said:
I am just making sure your argument is actually as crazy as it sounds.

That you won't openly confirm of deny my summation leaves me to conclude you know your argument is crazy as well.
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Here is something for you. If you believe in the Bible, it is said that one should not bear false witness. I suggest you read what I said, if you can read.
 
Boo Radley said:
I quite disagree. The hatred of Muslims in general is something that needed to be addressed. Far too many don't see the difference, and this requires that leaders point it out.

And we can use both historic examples and modern examples. We can move from the Crusades to the Salam witch trials to Hitler blessing plans to black church burnings in the south to Christian hate groups of today. He merely used an example everyone should have been familiar with.
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I see, so Christians are the problem, is that it?
 
Slyfox696 said:
Conservatives don't. Stupid partisans who are too busy to cheerlead for their team are the ones who miss the point.
I love irony.
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So, is Andrea Mitchell wrong? Last I heard she's a solid liberal.
 
MildSteel said:
That is true. However, Jewish kings such as David and Joshua did engage in battle. And even Jesus himself used violence to cleanse the Temple of greedy people.
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Who did Jesus decapitate?
 
MildSteel said:
Here is something for you. If you believe in the Bible, it is said that one should not bear false witness. I suggest you read what I said, if you can read.
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Your words are in black and white, and if you mean something other than to equate Jesus's anger at money changers doing business in the temple during the Sabbath, and turning over their tables, to beheadings, slaughter of children, and imhillation of a prisoner then by all means clairify it. Because that certainly is how it reads. And it is beyond roll your eyes silly.
 
j-mac said:
Who did Jesus decapitate?
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I will say to you, what I have said to him. If you believe in the Bible, it says that one should not bear false witness. Furthermore it says what happens to those that do. I have engaged in this discussion in good faith and have done my best to tell the truth. I would suggest that for your own good, you go back and read what I said.
 
MildSteel said:
Here is something for you. If you believe in the Bible, it is said that one should not bear false witness. I suggest you read what I said, if you can read.
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I have asked you if the summary was right or wrong. You have equated Jesus' flipping tables with the Crusades because they are "violence". If that was not your intent then you screwed up.
 
j-mac said:
Your words are in black and white, and if you mean something other than to equate Jesus's anger at money changers doing business in the temple during the Sabbath, and turning over their tables, to beheadings, slaughter of children, and imhillation of a prisoner then by all means clairify it. Because that certainly is how it reads. And it is beyond roll your eyes silly.
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And your words are in black in white and they appear to indicate that you cannot read. But I would suggest that you learn how. I have told the truth. I based it on what Jesus did. What Jesus did was glorious. Everything that Jesus did was glorious.
 
jmotivator said:
I have asked you if the summary was right or wrong. You have equated Jesus' flipping tables with the Crusades because they are "violence". If that was not your intent then you screwed up.
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No I did not screw up. Do you think it is possible that you screwed up?
 
MMC said:
Mornin JMac. :2wave: Here is what Jonah Goldberg has to say about this.....oh and he takes BO peep to task.
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Jonah Goldberg is what dumb people think intellectuals are like.
 
MildSteel said:
What Jesus did was glorious. Everything that Jesus did was glorious.
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Cool. What pissed off Jesus the most? Hypocrites. Right?

(Well, he also didn't have any time for riches. He taught, over and over, how riches were an absolute barrier to "the kingdom of heaven." Funny how that core teaching of his is so mysteriously suppressed in today's capitalism-dominated America.)

Yes indeed. Hypocrites. He REALLY couldn't stand them.
 
jpn said:
Cool. What pissed off Jesus the most? Hypocrites. Right?

(Well, he also didn't have any time for riches. He taught, over and over, how riches were an absolute barrier to "the kingdom of heaven." Funny how that core teaching of his is so mysteriously suppressed in today's capitalism-dominated America.)

Yes indeed. Hypocrites. He REALLY couldn't stand them.
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He called homosexuality a sin, too. You gonna keep bragging on him?
 
jmotivator said:
Everyone read it the way I did.
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You and others are free to engage in self deception if you want. What I said was clear. What I said was true.

The problem is that people try to put words into the mouths of others. It is one thing to engage in self deception. It is worse when that self deception deceives others as well.
 
MildSteel said:
You and others are free to engage in self deception if you want. What I said was clear. What I said was true.

The problem is that people try to put words into the mouths of others. It is one thing to engage in self deception. It is worse when that self deception deceives others as well.
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I see you have now completely abandoned your message in an effort to divert the discussion to how everyone is dumb for not understanding you.

So dumb it down for us. What were you trying to say?
 
jmotivator said:
I see you have now completely abandoned your message in an effort to divert the discussion to how everyone is dumb for not understanding you.

So dumb it down for us. What were you trying to say?
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Since you have tried to put words in my mouth, like I said, go back and read what I have said, if you can read.
 
Objective Voice said:
Now you're just being ridiculous.
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Why? I can certainly give the names of Christians who fought against Slavery, Jim Crow laws, and so on. In the US they were all Republicans as well.
Only insofar as acknowledging that followers of both religions - Christianity and Islam - have used their religious faith to justify their wicked actions. That's all.
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Are you really of a mind that no one has heard that Christians in the past have behaved badly? Or Americans? Or Indians? Or Chinese , Japanese or any group of individuals spread of an historical perspective? This needs to be explained? Had you never heard of this before or is it that you feel other people need to be enlightened? Are his followers really that unschooled?
He did call ISIL out for their barbarism during his speech.
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This is also too obvious to need mentioning but as we can see he couldn't mention Islamis terrorism withut mentioning something negative about Christianity.
Come now, Grant. People have been calling those who bomb abortion clinics "terrorist" for years, as far back as the '80s to the best of my memory.
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There is a general ignorance among many on the left which is why they still don't understand what actual terrorism is. Of course their leaders do, but the followers don't.
There's nothing new there. It's not any different than those who call folks who have abortions "baby killers". But let's leave the abortion slander and/or debate to another thread shall we?
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In fact abortion does kill babies.
 
MildSteel said:
When Europe was running roughshod all over the world subjecting non-Christians to terror campaigns were they hijacking Christianity?
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You should look at the founders of the religion and what their philosophies were if you want to discuss the subject seriously.
 
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