Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

Manc Skipper said:

"Isil, a brutal, vicious death cult" Which part do you object to?

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ISIL.....since they are AQ and BO doesn't want to many to know they are not on the run and that they have grown in strength fourfold. As told by BO's former US Army Chief of Staff.

Hows your lil trick question looking now? :lamo

Manc Skipper said:

"Isil, a brutal, vicious death cult" Which part do you object to?

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Don't misunderstand me Manc, your point is well taken. I would however reject that characterisation though. The Islamic state is as political/economic as the state of Israel, Syria the US or Britain, and when it's deemed necessary, none of them have refrained from killing (often times in quite brutal ways, burning alive by napalm bombs or incinerated by nuclear bombs) to advance those political and economic objectives.

Montecresto said:

Perhaps I sat in your class, lol. Fair enough, I once would have leaned toward the opinion that Buddhism is a religion of peace, and then I saw the carnage unfolding in the East of late. Truthfully, when religion is good, its great, and when its bad, its gawd damn awful! And it boggles my mind the horable things that humans are prepared to commit upon their faith that it pleases their god. And justify it in the end. I've been hearing people advocating that the two prisoners that Jordan executed recently, should have been burnt alive publicly, by folk who simultaneously confess their Christian faith. Imagine no religion, its easy if you try.

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Sorry. All the countries that tried 'no religion' were the most horrific of all and imprisoned and tortured and starved and oppressed and slaughtered millions. You can't make a good argument with me that 'no religion' is better than 'bad religion' or 'any religion', nor can you point to any modern day country in which that is working.

But to judge ANY religion by its history is both ignorant and unscholarly. All religions have had a checkered past and have included individuals who did evil under the banner of their religious beliefs. And many have evolved to be very different from what they once were.

Do you really think the world would be better off without the countless soup kitchens, homeless shelters, thrift shops, advocacy and self-help groups, leper colonies, hospitals, universities, relief, education, and hands on help groups serving the most desperate and poor of the world's people, all founded, mostly funded, and mostly staffed by those evil Christians serving mostly the unchurched and non Christians?

The critical thinker and fair minded person judges a religion by its behavior, attitudes, and contributions here and now. I defy anybody to find a faith group with a track record comparable to Christianity in serving some of the world's most desperate people.

And here and now is how Islam must be judged.

MMC said:

ISIL.....since they are AQ and BO doesn't want to many to know they are not on the run and that they have grown in strength fourfold. As told by BO's former US Army Chief of Staff.

Hows your lil trick question looking now? :lamo

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Hi MMC, again decades of US foreign policy have emboldened terrorism and Islamic extremism in the Middle East, including a US history of shall we say, looking the other way as Saudi Arabia has supported and financed (including the 9/11 attacks here at home) terrorists and terrorism. This blame it all on Obama is still a colossal fail. When will Americans demand a new foreign policy and dispense with the petty, get us nowhere, partisan finger pointing. Jesus Christ, we all own American foreign policy, can we just please turn a new page? There, I'm done MMC. how ya been buddy?

AlbqOwl said:

Sorry. All the countries that tried 'no religion' were the most horrific of all and imprisoned and tortured and starved and oppressed and slaughtered millions. You can't make a good argument with me that 'no religion' is better than 'bad religion' or 'any religion', nor can you point to any modern day country in which that is working.

But to judge ANY religion by its history is both ignorant and unscholarly. All religions have had a checkered past and have included individuals who did evil under the banner of their religious beliefs. And many have evolved to be very different from what they once were.

Do you really think the world would be better off without the countless soup kitchens, homeless shelters, thrift shops, advocacy and self-help groups, leper colonies, hospitals, universities, relief, education, and hands on help groups serving the most desperate and poor of the world's people, all founded, mostly funded, and mostly staffed by those evil Christians serving mostly the unchurched and non Christians?

The critical thinker and fair minded person judges a religion by its behavior, attitudes, and contributions here and now. I defy anybody to find a faith group with a track record comparable to Christianity in serving some of the world's most desperate people.

And here and now is how Islam must be judged.

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I don't believe I was critical of soup kitchens, was I? I think I summed it up nicely when I said that when religion is good (soup kitchens, homeless shelters and thrift shops) that they're great. And that when they're bad (the crusades, Muslims oppressing Jews and Christians and vise versa) they're gawd damn awful.

polgara said:

Greetings, Slyfox696. :2wave:

I have many direct quotes from Obama that seem to contradict what you have posted, and I can cite them if you wish.

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Yes, please do. I would like to see your sources where Obama said we should blame all Christians for the actions of a few.

KLATTU said:

I agree he was in no way excusing actions of ISIS. An I get that he is trying to create a wedge between ISis and more mainstream Islam.
But the sad a fact of the matter is that the religion of Islam is a big part of the problem. It's naive to think otherwise.

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Not really. In fact, you can easily Google and see a large number of Muslims (individuals and people) who will tell you the actions of ISIS are not in line with the teachings of Islam.

The problem isn't really one of religion. Religion is merely the tool, not the reason. There's a big difference.

MildSteel said:

That is not true. Obama has not provided any cover for ISIS whatsoever.

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WHAT ??

His decision to pull every last remnant of American military personel out of Iraq for purely Political reasons didn't give them cover ?

He gave them much more than " cover " . He gave them a opportunity.

Utility Man said:

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That one demands repeating...

Montecresto said:

Hi MMC, again decades of US foreign policy have emboldened terrorism and Islamic extremism in the Middle East, including a US history of shall we say, looking the other way as Saudi Arabia has supported and financed (including the 9/11 attacks here at home) terrorists and terrorism. This blame it all on Obama is still a colossal fail. When will Americans demand a new foreign policy and dispense with the petty, get us nowhere, partisan finger pointing. Jesus Christ, we all own American foreign policy, can we just please turn a new page? There, I'm done MMC. how ya been buddy?

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Ive been alright Monte.....but as you can see I have been looking directly at BO and his Team. Even what his own had to say.


The former vice chief of staff of the Army warned the Senate Armed Services Committee today that al-Qaeda has “grown fourfold in the last five years.” “AQ and its affiliates exceeds Iran in beginning to dominate multiple countries,” retired four-star Gen. Jack Keane testified.

Using a term that the Obama administration now eschews, Keane called radical Islam “the major security challenge of our generation…”The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, ISIS, is an outgrowth from Al-Qaeda in Iraq, which was defeated in Iraq by 2009.” “After U.S. troops pulled out of Iraq in 2011, ISIS reemerged as a terrorist organization in Iraq, moved into Syria in 2012, and began seizing towns and villages from the Syria-Iraq border all the way to the western Syria from Aleppo to Damascus,” he reminded the committee.

That leads to an “unmistakable” conclusion that “our policies have failed,” Keane added.....snip~

Four-Star General Tells Congress: Al-Qaeda Has “Grown Four-Fold in Last Five Years” | The Gateway Pundit

Montecresto said:

I don't believe I was critical of soup kitchens, was I? I think I summed it up nicely when I said that when religion is good (soup kitchens, homeless shelters and thrift shops) that they're great. And that when they're bad (the crusades, Muslims oppressing Jews and Christians and vise versa) they're gawd damn awful.

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And I am saying that the intelligent and fair minded folks judge religions by how their advocates are now and not by how they once were.

pbrauer said:

That one demands repeating...

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They still can't even compare.

MMC said:

They still can't even compare.

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Ummm When have they ever lynched hundreds of Negros in this country?

bicycleman said:

When Obama refuses to call these heinous acts terrorism and ignores them, hoping they will go away, he is aiding and abetting our enemies.

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Obama: "ISIL Is A Terrorist Organization, Pure And Simple"

Objective Voice said:

Again, either you (folks) weren't listening, failed to read the speech transcript or didn't hear the speech at all and are just responding based on what you heard from the talking heads on conservative talk radio (Sean Hannity in particular; that's all his show was about yesterday). :doh

From the speech, paragraph 11:

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As best as I can gather from MMC, he's upset that Obama...like pretty much nearly everyone else...calls them ISIL or ISIS instead of "Al Qaeda". Why that bothers him about Obama, when I can't really think of any political leader or really any person I've read or heard routinely refer to ISIL/ISIS as "Al Qaeda" is beyond me.

Okay okay, here is a Leader and his Condemning of an Enemy. Tell BO to take notice.


The king of Jordan sent out this badass photo in response to ISIS.....



Jordan's King Abdullah II, a former commander of his country's special forces , angrily vowed to bombard the Islamic State until his military runs "out of fuel and bullets".....snip~

The king of Jordan sent out this badass photo in response to ISIS


Alright.....I can admit that BO peep just can't pull off the same type of clout.

Zyphlin said:

As best as I can gather from MMC, he's upset that Obama...like pretty much nearly everyone else...calls them ISIL or ISIS instead of "Al Qaeda". Why that bothers him about Obama, when I can't really think of any political leader or really any person I've read or heard routinely refer to ISIL/ISIS as "Al Qaeda" is beyond me.

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That's due to you usually not listening to those in the Military or Intel to much but I wont fault ya for it......but I think BO's failed policies and entire approach to the issue is major factor. But you wouldn't know much about that Right?

We wouldn't want you to get that part confused or lose anything in translation either.


Oh btw.....you didn't forget BO said they were not Islamic, Correct? Did you need the repeat with that?

Moot said:

Obama: "ISIL Is A Terrorist Organization, Pure And Simple"

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Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post

When Obama refuses to call these heinous acts terrorism and ignores them, hoping they will go away, he is aiding and abetting our enemies.

I think the reference is to various ACTS the President seems reluctant to identify as terrorist driven. Much like the terrorist act that took place at Ft Hood in 2009, and others, the obvious seems difficult to admit by the President

pbrauer said:

Ummm When have they ever lynched hundreds of Negros in this country?

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Uhmmmm, how many Muslims have they lynched and why does it triple anything the Clan did?

j-mac said:

I searched two pages of the BN forum, and couldn't find this story anywhere, and my apologies if it was already posted...But, come on folks....Give me a damned break! :doh This would be like Churchill during WWII telling us that although the Nazi's were bad, that maybe they were justified for what the Moore's did centuries earlier....It's a load of crap!

There is no equivalency....It's a false narrative that once again leads some to believe that Obama protects, and runs cover for terrorists.

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One is tempted that God does not condone lying either, but he's perfected a new art form..,..and I need remind him of James "do not seek to be teachers in great numbers for we all stumble in many ways..." But then he never stumbles....

Considering that this is a highly biased accounting, it is revealing on several layers.

One, it lessens the impact of "crusades and Slavery" the most contentious of his remarks and diverts attention to the Dalai Lama and Obama's so generous treatment in having one of the most revered religious leaders seated next to an aide. Where was this support seven years ago, when Britain, Canada, France and others all granted the Lama such courtesies and more?

second, he has not lost sight of the fact that he is his own idol, lecturing America on theology...

President Barack Obama on Thursday condemned those who seek to use religion as a rationale for carrying out violence around the world, declaring that "no god condones terror."

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But immediately draws the comparison to Christians, and slavery by Christians......

None of this is uniting. None of this reassures a nation at war that the enemyh is being addressed, probably because the enemy is losing. None of this brings a torn nation, divided on "enemies, traitors, jihadists, and terrorists" in the Republican benches; it is far too late in this late night drunken binge of a presidency to start moralizing on slandering the enemy. There is not one issue where his handling has brought progress, but division, illegal aliens becomes an amnesty that is not amnesty and his reaction to the insidious evil of burning a man alive is to "remain clam and vote for me", and remember we have been bad guys as recently a one thousand years ago.

The enemy is today, this minute. Where he had two wars going when he came into office, he now has four with these not-Islamic terrorists gaining ground in seven.

Bringing up faults of 150 and 1,000 years ago helps unify a nation at wear how exactly/

MMC said:

Oh btw.....you didn't forget BO said they were not Islamic, Correct? Did you need the repeat with that?

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Didn't forget that. Hell, pretty sure I've mentioned that in this thread (may've been the other on the similar topic). I've spoken negatively about that statement when it was first made as well. That's an entirely different notion however than suggesting he "can't say their name". But nice job bringing up an entirely different point and attempting to beat up that strawman.

And I'll go with apparently my intereactions with the military and intel communities is simply different than yours. While there are definitely cross overs at points between Al-Qaeda and ISIS, and the ideology behind both are largely the same, by and large to my understanding they are two seperate entities that share some similar goals. Suggesting ISIS IS literally Al-Qaeda to my understanding would be akin to suggesting the Tea Party Movement or the NRA ARE the Republican Party, as opposed to groups that share some similar views and goals and may have individuals who belong to both or may work together at times

Fearandloathing said:

One is tempted that God does not condone lying either, but he's perfected a new art form..,..and I need remind him of James "do not seek to be teachers in great numbers for we all stumble in many ways..." But then he never stumbles....

Considering that this is a highly biased accounting, it is revealing on several layers.

One, it lessens the impact of "crusades and Slavery" the most contentious of his remarks and diverts attention to the Dalai Lama and Obama's so generous treatment in having one of the most revered religious leaders seated next to an aide. Where was this support seven years ago, when Britain, Canada, France and others all granted the Lama such courtesies and more?

second, he has not lost sight of the fact that he is his own idol, lecturing America on theology...



But immediately draws the comparison to Christians, and slavery by Christians......

None of this is uniting. None of this reassures a nation at war that the enemyh is being addressed, probably because the enemy is losing. None of this brings a torn nation, divided on "enemies, traitors, jihadists, and terrorists" in the Republican benches; it is far too late in this late night drunken binge of a presidency to start moralizing on slandering the enemy. There is not one issue where his handling has brought progress, but division, illegal aliens becomes an amnesty that is not amnesty and his reaction to the insidious evil of burning a man alive is to "remain clam and vote for me", and remember we have been bad guys as recently a one thousand years ago.

The enemy is today, this minute. Where he had two wars going when he came into office, he now has four with these not-Islamic terrorists gaining ground in seven.

Bringing up faults of 150 and 1,000 years ago helps unify a nation at wear how exactly/

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Looks like it could be more than 7 F&L. :2wave:





Also they picked up groups in the Sinai and expanded inside Libya. Which I bumped those up in the War on Terror Forum today.

MMC said:

Uhmmmm, how many Muslims have they lynched and why does it triple anything the Clan did?

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Because it was done by our citizens to our citizens AND it was done because of bigotry.

Zyphlin said:

Didn't forget that. Hell, pretty sure I've mentioned that in this thread (may've been the other on the similar topic). I've spoken negatively about that statement when it was first made as well. That's an entirely different notion however than suggesting he "can't say their name". But nice job bringing up an entirely different point and attempting to beat up that strawman.

And I'll go with apparently my intereactions with the military and intel communities is simply different than yours. While there are definitely cross overs at points between Al-Qaeda and ISIS, and the ideology behind both are largely the same, by and large to my understanding they are two seperate entities that share some similar goals. Suggesting ISIS IS literally Al-Qaeda to my understanding would be akin to suggesting the Tea Party Movement or the NRA ARE the Republican Party, as opposed to groups that share some similar views and goals and may have individuals who belong to both or may work together at times

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Here let me correct you with that again. Post 66 remember.

The authors also emphasise that IS is not new, but rather emerged from the ashes of Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), one of the most brutal foes of the Americans following their 2003 invasion. AQI was largely defeated after the US convinced local tribes to rise up against them -- a strategy known as "The Awakening", which has deeply influenced IS strategy.

"From the beginning, they've been obsessed with the Awakening," said Hassan. "They've done everything to prevent it happening again: built sleeper cells, bought loyalty, divided communities. "They've succeeded in making internal resistance practically impossible. No tribe will fight them, because they will find themselves fighting their own brothers and cousins."

Although the Baathists were originally a secular movement, Saddam introduced a "Faith campaign" in the 1990s that sought to Islamise society. "Very few people have focused on the impact of that campaign," said Hassan. "It radicalised many Baathists and they combined the violence of the regime with that of jihadism, making them even worse than Al-Qaeda." "But they have combined religion, geopolitics, economics and much more in their ideology.....snip~

Here don't let The General trick you with any wording okay?


The former vice chief of staff of the Army warned the Senate Armed Services Committee today that al-Qaeda has “grown fourfold in the last five years.” “AQ and its affiliates exceeds Iran in beginning to dominate multiple countries,” retired four-star Gen. Jack Keane testified.

Using a term that the Obama administration now eschews, Keane called radical Islam “the major security challenge of our generation…”The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, ISIS, is an outgrowth from Al-Qaeda in Iraq, which was defeated in Iraq by 2009.” “After U.S. troops pulled out of Iraq in 2011, ISIS reemerged as a terrorist organization in Iraq, moved into Syria in 2012, and began seizing towns and villages from the Syria-Iraq border all the way to the western Syria from Aleppo to Damascus,” he reminded the committee.

That leads to an “unmistakable” conclusion that “our policies have failed,” Keane added.....snip~

Four-Star General Tells Congress: Al-Qaeda Has “Grown Four-Fold in Last Five Years” | The Gateway Pundit

MMC said:

Looks like it could be more than 7 F&L. :2wave:

Also they picked up groups in the Sinai and expanded inside Libya. Which I bumped those up in the War on Terror Forum today.

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Gee, I remember a time when I might be vaporized by an H-Bomb.

Zyphlin said:

Didn't forget that. Hell, pretty sure I've mentioned that in this thread (may've been the other on the similar topic). I've spoken negatively about that statement when it was first made as well. That's an entirely different notion however than suggesting he "can't say their name". But nice job bringing up an entirely different point and attempting to beat up that strawman.

And I'll go with apparently my intereactions with the military and intel communities is simply different than yours. While there are definitely cross overs at points between Al-Qaeda and ISIS, and the ideology behind both are largely the same, by and large to my understanding they are two seperate entities that share some similar goals. Suggesting ISIS IS literally Al-Qaeda to my understanding would be akin to suggesting the Tea Party Movement or the NRA ARE the Republican Party, as opposed to groups that share some similar views and goals and may have individuals who belong to both or may work together at times

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Who gives a ****?

Why is the name of the enemy so much of an issue with the Obama camp? Is it because they need to get light years away from it being "gasp" Al-Qaeda that Obama killed or just another straw man distraction the president needs to keep Grubers from focusing on the reality...he's losing to terrorists while he plays head games with the name of them, what religion they are and denies they kill in the name of alah, the little tin go god declares like a south American Tyrant "you cannot make fun of the prophet Mohamed!" as though dreceeing ****ing law....while the bodies of Americans were en route home after being slaughtered in a "spontaneous demonstration".

Add to that the killers of those Americans lived to brag about it, and are likely now beheading babies in Syria. Kind of makes you wonder just whose side he's on....

so while Americans arm-chair quarterback this pointless game of whether its al-qaeda, ISIS, mother ****ing goose or the DNC, people are dying in grotesque ways and your president is worried about Mohamed's reputation.

Guess what, from what I've seen, Mohamed was as dim as Obama and as corrupt.

"we will fight them on the beaches, we will fight them on our playing fields, but remember the crusades!"