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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    (Continued from post #520):

    859: Muslim invaders capture the Sicilian city of Castrogiovanni (Enna), slaughtering several thousand inhabitants.

    1009: Caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah, founder of the Druze sect and sixth Fatimid Caliph in Egypt, orders the Holy Sepulcher and all Christian buildings in Jerusalem be destroyed. In Europe a rumor develops that a "Prince of Babylon" had ordered the destruction of the Holy Sepulcher at the instigation of the Jews. Attacks on Jewish communities in cities like Rouen, Orelans, and Mainz ensue and this rumor helps lay the basis for massacres of Jewish communities by Crusaders marching to the Holy Land. (Consider the "lynch-pin" moment for the beginning of the Crusades)

    1026: Richard II of Normandy leads a group of several hundred armed men on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land in the belief that the Day of Judgment had arrived.

    1050: Byzantine emperor Constantine IX Monomachos restores the complex of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem.

    March 12, 1088: Urban II is elected pope. An active supporter of the Gregorian reforms, Urban would become responsible for launching the First Crusade (1096-99).

    December 31, 1097: First Battle of Harenc. Turkish prisoners were dragged within sight of the walls of Antioch and beheaded.

    Jun 14, 1098: Peter Bartholomew discovers the supposed Holy Lance (the weapon which had stabbed Jesus during his crucifixion.) Crusader morale skyrockets.

    Jul 15, 1099: In the only fully coordinated operation of the First Crusade, Godfrey's forces succeed in scaling the walls of Jerusalem (near Herod's Gate) through the effective use of a massive siege tower and ladders. Once in the city, the Crusaders massacre the garrison of Fatimid Moslems and a large percentage of the Moslem and Jewish population.

    I think that's enough...

    For those interested, pay very close attention to events from the following timeframes: 632, 850, 1026, 1050, 1088, and 1098. What's the connection between each event in time according to the above timeline? http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/imper...slamchron.html
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you really need more evidence that leftists lie? Who would you like as an example? The US President?
    Bush lied. Does this mean rightist lie? Don't you see how stupid you're being?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You've just supported my comments about leftists.
    This is true! This was the response.

    You can read this and decide yourself on this 'Army of God" thing.John Salvi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I'm sure you could do it all day, and have them gathered together in your computer. But the thing is that there should be some credibility attached to these accusations and not from websites that are only poorly written gibberish.
    You miss the point again. How am I do get through to you? I doubt anyone who does this is stuff is actually Christian or Muslim for that matter. They use religion. This is the point being made by Obama and by me.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There are those out there killing, yes.

    This was done by a Christian extremist: Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012.

    As was this: Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008. On July 27, 2008, Christian Right sympathizer Jim David Adkisson walked into the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee during a children’s play and began shooting people at random.

    And this: In 1994, the radical anti-abortionist and Army of God member attacked a Planned Parenthood clinic in Brookline, Massachusetts, shooting and killing receptionists Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols and wounding several others

    10 of the Worst Terror Attacks by Extreme Christians and Far-Right White Men | Alternet

    There are more. And we could do this all day. The point is you will excuse them as not representing the whole, and they don't. But neither do radical Muslims. The problem is radicals and not religion.
    So you view these radical jihadist attacks as just anomalies carried out by just a few, contrary to their own stated goals, and support documented amongst the wider Muslim community?

    I mean, sure you can show me individual cases of mentally disturbed acts, but nothing on the scale of what is going on today with ISIS and it is patently dishonest to equate the two in any way.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    (Continued from post #520):

    859: Muslim invaders capture the Sicilian city of Castrogiovanni (Enna), slaughtering several thousand inhabitants.

    1009: Caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah, founder of the Druze sect and sixth Fatimid Caliph in Egypt, orders the Holy Sepulcher and all Christian buildings in Jerusalem be destroyed. In Europe a rumor develops that a "Prince of Babylon" had ordered the destruction of the Holy Sepulcher at the instigation of the Jews. Attacks on Jewish communities in cities like Rouen, Orelans, and Mainz ensue and this rumor helps lay the basis for massacres of Jewish communities by Crusaders marching to the Holy Land. (Consider the "lynch-pin" moment for the beginning of the Crusades)

    1026: Richard II of Normandy leads a group of several hundred armed men on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land in the belief that the Day of Judgment had arrived.

    1050: Byzantine emperor Constantine IX Monomachos restores the complex of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem.

    March 12, 1088: Urban II is elected pope. An active supporter of the Gregorian reforms, Urban would become responsible for launching the First Crusade (1096-99).

    December 31, 1097: First Battle of Harenc. Turkish prisoners were dragged within sight of the walls of Antioch and beheaded.

    Jun 14, 1098: Peter Bartholomew discovers the supposed Holy Lance (the weapon which had stabbed Jesus during his crucifixion.) Crusader morale skyrockets.

    Jul 15, 1099: In the only fully coordinated operation of the First Crusade, Godfrey's forces succeed in scaling the walls of Jerusalem (near Herod's Gate) through the effective use of a massive siege tower and ladders. Once in the city, the Crusaders massacre the garrison of Fatimid Moslems and a large percentage of the Moslem and Jewish population.

    I think that's enough...

    For those interested, pay very close attention to events from the following timeframes: 632, 850, 1026, 1050, 1088, and 1098. What's the connection between each event in time according to the above timeline? http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/imper...slamchron.html
    Looks to me like the Crusadrs were a response to Muslim aggressions.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There are those out there killing, yes.

    This was done by a Christian extremist: Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012.
    No, the shooter was not acting on religous motivations.

    Rather, he was of nominally Christian background and stated that his motivation was racial / nationalistic, (shooter perceived all muslims as being a different race and therefore, not part of the US nation). It is much the same way with terror acts committed by various Kurdish groups in Turkey. Sure, the usually leftist Kurds are of nominal muslim background. They are not, however, "muslim" extremists. Rather, they are socio poltical extremists who attack Turks.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Alright...fair enough.

    Here's a timeline from the Latin Library that covers Islam in Europe from 359-1291, AD. A few key dates of note that may be of interest to readers:

    614: Persians sack Jerusalem. damaging the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in the process.

    624: Muhammad broke with his Jewish supporters because they refused to recognize him as a prophet and adopt Islam.

    632: Death of Muhammad. His father-in-law, Abu-Bakr (first Caliph), and Umar devised a system to allow Islam to sustain religious and political stability. Accepting the name of caliph ("deputy of the Prophet"), Abu-Bakr begins a military exhibition to enforce the caliph's authority over Arabian followers of Muhammad. Abu-Bakr then moved northward, defeating Byzantine and Persian forces.

    633: Muslims conquer Syria and Iraq.

    637: Jerusalem falls to invading Muslim forces.

    668: First Siege of Constantinople: This attack lasts off and on for seven years, with the Muslim forces generally spending the winters on the island of Cyzicus, a few miles south of Constantinople, and only sailing against the city during the spring and summer months. The Greeks are able to fend off repeated attacks with a weapon desperately feared by the Arabs: Greek Fire.

    August 23, 676: Birth of Charles Martel (Charles the Hammer) in Herstal, Wallonia, Belgium, as the illegitimate son of Pippin II. Serving as Mayor of the Palace of the kingdom of the Franks, Charles would lead a force of Christians that turn back a Muslim raiding party near Poitiers (or Tours) which, according to many historians, would effectively halt the advance of Islam against Christianity in the West.

    677: Muslims send a large fleet against Constantinople in an effort to finally break the city, but they are defeated so badly through the Byzantine use of Greek Fire that they are forced to pay an indemnity to the Emperor.

    714: Birth of Pippin III (Pippin the Short) in Jupille (Belgium). Son of Charles Martel and father of Charlemagne, in 0759 Pippin would capture Narbonne, the last Muslim stronghold in France, and thereby drive Islam out of France.

    722: Battle of Covadonga: Pelayo, (690-737) Visigoth noble who had been elected the first King of Asturias (718-0737), defeats a Muslim army at Alcama near Covadonga. This is generally regarded as the first real Christian victory over the Muslims in the Reconquista.

    October 10, 732: Battle of Tours: With perhaps 1,500 soldiers, Charles Martel halts a Muslim force of around 40,000 to 60,000 cavalry under Abd el-Rahman Al Ghafiqi from moving farther into Europe. Many regard this battle as being decisive in that it saved Europe from Muslim control.

    750 - 850: The Four Orthodox Schools of Islamic Law were established.

    850: Perfectus, a Christian priest in Muslim Cordova, is executed after he refuses to retract numerous insults he made about the Prophet Muhammed. Numerous other priests, monks, and laity would follow as Christians became caught up in a zest for martyrdom.

    851: Abd al-Rahman II has eleven young Christians executed in the city of Cordova after they deliberately seek out martyrdom by insulting the Prophet .Muhammed.
    Thank you for posting that. It will come as a shock to some of your Libbo buddies, then they'll ignore it.

    What it shows, is centuries of Muslim agression, showing that the Crusades were defensive actions in response to that aggression. Now, here is where one your favorite Liberal arguments works against you: if the Muslims hadn't attacked Europe, the Crusades might not have taken place. The first crusade--not the 1sr Crusade--was the Reconquista, which was waged in Spain against the Muslims.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Looks to me like the Crusadrs were a response to Muslim aggressions.
    I don't deny that one bit nor have I ever stated they (radical Muslims) weren't the aggressors then or now. However, despite stating the obvious I noticed you didn't answer the question posed. So, I'll ask it again...

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice
    For those interested, pay very close attention to events from the following timeframes: 632, 850, 1026, 1050, 1088, and 1098. What's the connection between each event in time according to the (above) timeline? http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/imper...slamchron.html
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Thank you for posting that. It will come as a shock to some of your Libbo buddies, then they'll ignore it.

    What it shows, is centuries of Muslim agression, showing that the Crusades were defensive actions in response to that aggression. Now, here is where one your favorite Liberal arguments works against you: if the Muslims hadn't attacked Europe, the Crusades might not have taken place. The first crusade--not the 1sr Crusade--was the Reconquista, which was waged in Spain against the Muslims.
    Again, I don't deny that nor have I ever stated otherwise. But as I stated to j-mac, I'll also say to you. Despite stating the obvious, I noticed you didn't answer the question posed either. So, I'll ask again...

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice
    For those interested, pay very close attention to events from the following timeframes: 632, 850, 1026, 1050, 1088, and 1098. What's the connection between each event in time according to the (above) timeline? http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/imper...slamchron.html
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Again, I don't deny that nor have I ever stated otherwise. But as I stated to j-mac, I'll also say to you. Despite stating the obvious, I noticed you didn't answer the question posed either. So, I'll ask again...
    You tell me what the connection is and if I disagree, I'll tell you why.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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