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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Man, this thread has gone way off track. I'd like to try and bring the topic back around to this issue of people/groups/organizations using their religious faith to do evil in the name of God and Christ or whatever religious deity they worship, specifically, the Crusades.

    I know the history of this Christian religious saga, but I think some people are either still confused over it or are in denial about what truly happened and how the Crusades came to be.

    First, I think people (Americans) really need to read the Federalist Papers, No. 3-5 specifically, to understand why not only it is so dangerous for "individual" rulers (Kings/monarchs) to be allowed to go unchecked, it's also equally dangers for men of such prominent power and influence either individually or collectively to go unchecked. For such men have the ability to sway the judgment of the people to wage unjust wars.

    With "justification" for war by a well-intended government defending the nation against aggression both foreign and domestic (w/the consent of a well-informed electorate), we have to truly look at the origins of the Crusades and see this event in history for what it was. To that, I found this video from the History Channel that summarizes what the Crusades were really about, who started them and why.

    Moment of truth: I can certainly understand why so many on the Right were upset about this alleged "comparison" to what ISIL is doing. There's certainly a fear that their ideology will spread and that their tyranny will become the norm if allowed to go unchecked. But if you truly understand how the Crusades began, then you understand that what took place then in the name of God and Christ is nearly identical to what ISIL is using as their justification for spreading their radical form of Islam.

    I've always taken the position, "Seek first to understand and then to be understood." To that, I think this article from Politicususa.com is very much on point when the author speaks of Christian "truth serum" from the religious Right. With that, I'll let folks read the aforementioned linked articles and draw their own conclusions as to whether or not our nation's leader was right in addressing this issue of atrocities committed in the name of one's religious faith no matter what the religion may be.
    If you seek to understand, why do you leave out the Muslim invasions of Europe that were going on for 300 years before the first crusade into Asia took place? To harp about one and leave out the other is intellectually dishonest. As long as you make dishonest presentation, you'll never be understood. If you make a presentation that leaves out key facts, it becomes a lie.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The delightful thing about being me is I don't have to answer to authoritarian fascists.
    Who didn't see that one coming?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The delightful thing about being me is I don't have to answer to authoritarian fascists.
    No, you listen to the Jonathan Grubers of the world, and they certainly have you pegged

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Not one single outright condemnation of homosexuality.
    Yes, he does...

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10: Or do you not know that the unrighteous2 will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: xneither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,3 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    What a ridiculous question.

    Clearly, homosexuality existed back then. The Romans were in power and everyone knows about their toga parties and the "Behind the Green Door" lifestyle many Roman Republicans (wealthy elites) lived back then. It's all documented history. That said, gay marriage wasn't a thing in the days of Christ, but rampant fornication and adultery was.
    That doesn't really constitute a counter argument. Indeed there was no gay marriage back then, so where does that leave homosexual sex in Jesus' teachings? It was fornication which is a sin.

    Jesus had the opportunity to promote homosexual marriage, indeed his whole life was anathema to the culture of his day -- which is why they nailed him to a cross -- so why did he state that marriage was between one man and one woman specifically? He had no trouble clearly stating his other positions that were counter to the prevailing culture of the time.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, you listen to the Jonathan Grubers of the world, and they certainly have you pegged
    Not in the least.

    But as long as you continue to promote prejudice and discrimination against innocent people I will continue to call you what you are.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If you seek to understand, why do you leave out the Muslim invasions of Europe that were going on for 300 years before the first crusade into Asia took place? To harp about one and leave out the other is intellectually dishonest. As long as you make dishonest presentation, you'll never be understood. If you make a presentation that leaves out key facts, it becomes a lie.
    Not very " Objective " of a poster calling himself the " Objective Voice ", is it ?

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Not in the least. But as long as you continue to promote prejudice and discrimination against innocent people I will continue to call you what you are.
    Of course those who Gruber points to believe themselves quite intelligent and insightful, while seeing intolerance and discrimination everywhere.

    In this case, one of Gruber's supporters can't even point to any evidence of 'prejudice or discrimination against innocent people'.

    Gruber was being too kind to people like yourself.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Not very " Objective " of a poster calling himself the " Objective Voice ", is it ?
    We all believe our voices to be objective when we first join. Later we realize we often have to fight fire with fire.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, "I'm stupid"...
    No, your position is stupid. Your position is I'm ignorant because I may or may not agree with some random named liberal. Of course, I have no idea if I agree with random liberal because you won't post what they said.

    Your position is stupid. Not you, just your position on this. I've asked you what they said, and you will not post it. So now answer my question...do you agree with what my friend Blake Glodo said about you?

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