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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It takes a special breed of partisanship to see Obama's comments as making excuses for ISIS. Seriously.
    It takes a special breed of devotion to the America-resenting liar who is disgracing the White House to see his comments as anything but apologism for Muslim jihadists.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Then why can't he say their name? One must be able to defines one enemy.
    I'm pretty sure he can say their name.

    Are you actually trying to argue that he can't say the word "ISIS"? Or that he's unaware that they are our enemy?

    Cut the talking point bull****. This matter is too important to discuss "well he's not using the right words! He should have used this word to describe them!"

    You're argument is petty and not worth any ones time. We understand they are our enemy. You can criticize the obama administration for the actions they have taken, or lack there of, but to pretend that they don't even know that ISIS is our enemy is laughable. It's such a stupid talking point that if you say it you should be dismissed from the discussion from the onset.

    Leave the discussion to the people that actually want to discuss what is in our best interest and what actions we should take and the consequences thereof. Not stupid stuff like "he hasn't defined them as an enemy!"
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

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    Howdy MMC! There you have it!!!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

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    Oh, for a U.S. bomber to have been flying overhead at the time that photo of those jihadist sons of whores was taken, and to have obliterated everything in it!

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    It takes a special breed of devotion to the America-resenting liar who is disgracing the White House to see his comments as anything but apologism for Muslim jihadists.
    Uh huh.

    It's like you guys live on another planet.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    How many thousands did the Klan kill in the name of religion? How long ago?

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Obama wasn't lambasting Christians
    Perhaps you and I have very different understanding of what getting on ones "high horse" means, but implying that folks have got on their "high horse" about an issue is a criticism. Perhaps if you want to quibble on the semantics of whether or not it was "harsh" criticism or not, that could be argued. But to suggest he wans't criticizing christians for getting "on their high horse" over radical islam leaves me scratching my head regarding how you came to such a conclussion.

    Obama's point is very clearly that the actions of ISIS do NOT represent the religion of Islam
    It does not "represent" Islam, however neither is it seperate from Islam. Just as the Crusades my not have "represented" Christianity in the turn of the 20th century, it was absolutely not seperate from Christianity. It is undeniable that those acting within the Crusades (especially leadership) were, by and large, acting in the name of their Religion. Just as it is undeniable, despite the administrations attempts, to suggest that those acting within ISIS (especially their leadership) are, by and large, acting in the name of their Religion.

    and no religion can claim to be free of such associations.
    Which is a rather sophmoric and empty notion, a prayer breakfast strawman if you will, considering there seems to be few if any that are suggesting that any religion...especially christianity...does not have any instances where the religion has been used in the name of violence. Who are these people, suggesting Christianity has never been used for wrongful purposes before. I can't say I've ran into many such people in my life. So why make such a point, and not just make it but focus so much time on it?

    Well, when you go on and make a comparison to something at turn of the previous century, and equate it as the same that is happening with a group in the modern day, without any deference to context, as a means of lecturing Christians to not get on their "high horse", then a potential ansewr becomes more clear. Was the focus on such a sophmoric and widely understood point simply there to provide cover to lambast and critize Christians upset over Radical Islam, and to attempt to paint the state of Islam in the modern day as similar to that of Christianity because Christainity had Radicals taking similar actions 700+ years ago (but ignoring that the Islamic Radicals were doing it then too, and are still doing it TODAY).

    Why do I focus on the Crusades? Two reasons. The first, because that's the first instance he brought up and is the far more ridiculous one in terms of the shockingly different context between the two. Second, if you're going to grab historical analog, the Crusades are a far better one to ISIS, as both were instances of individuals using the their religious beliefs as justifications for attempts to conquer land. Such was the not the case with Jim Crow or the KKK.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Who was, the Ku Klux Klan? Segregation laws was fighting Muslims who decided to take over someone else's stuff?
    Once again, we put a boot to the KKK (Except for the ones Democrats elected) and they are pretty much a footnote at this point.

    Let me ask this, why is it necessary for people like you and Obama to bring crap like that up? Why can't he just say "these screwballs need to get their asses kicked"? Why is it so important to make the point that others have done bad things too? Why does he feel the need to appeal to the sensitivities of Muslims instead of just asking for their help to get rid of the cancer that's infected their religion?

    I'll tell you why.

    It's because Obama and whole swaths of liberals out there LOVE the idea or being a victim. If ISIS is a death cult then Liberals are a victim cult and the only damned reason they do anything is because they think they're helping a victim of this, that or the other. Their goal isn't to get rid of ISIS. It's to encourage the Muslim community to vote Democrat because only the Democrats "understand them" and "want to help them". It's the same damned thing you ****ers did to black Americans and are trying to do to Hispanics in this country.

    You don't have the balls to stand up, draw a line in the sand and say "This side is right and that side is wrong". You don't want people to make the decision to help themselves, to better themselves, to overcome adversity through their own perseverance. You want them all to stay on their side of the line and wait for you to hand them a crust of bread. You would rather that everyone remain weak and that's because YOU are a weakling who would rather be a king among mice than a man among other men.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It takes a special breed of partisanship to see Obama's comments as making excuses for ISIS. Seriously.
    I don't believe it's trying to make an excuse for ISIS.

    I think it's trying to make an excuse and deny the connection ISIS and it's motivations has with Islam.

    It's funny that so often the Crusades are used as a means of pointing to Christianity and showing how Christianity has done damage and hurt people and committed attrocities before. And yet NOW, it's attempting to be used as a means of arguing that people shouldn't view ISIS as really islamic.

    Either the Crusades reflect on Christianity, because Christianity was a large factor in the justifications and motivations for the Crusades, and thus ISIS also reflects on Islam, because Islam was a large factor in the justification and motivations for ISIS's aggression OR the Crusades do NOT ISIS's actions do not reflect on Islam and neither does the Crusades reflect on Christianity.

    You can't have it both ways, yet it seems for many they want to.

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