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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    When Obama condemns "the Crusades" and those who use "the name of Christ" - while he declares Islam is the "religion of peace" - the extreme radical and false claim he made is stunning.

    The religion of Islam was started by war, total religious intolerance by the actions and doctrines of Muhammad:

    Muhammad gained few followers early on, and met hostility from some Meccan tribes. To escape persecution, Muhammad sent some of his followers to Abyssinia before he and his followers in Mecca migrated to Medina (then known as Yathrib) in the year 622. This event, the Hijra, marks the beginning of the Islamic calendar, also known as the Hijri Calendar. In Medina, Muhammad united the tribes under the Constitution of Medina. After eight years of fighting with the Meccan tribes, Muhammad gathered an army of 10,000 Muslim converts and marched on the city of Mecca. The attack went largely uncontested and Muhammad took over the city with little bloodshed. He destroyed the pagan idols in the city[17] and sent his followers out to destroy all remaining pagan temples in Eastern Arabia.[18][19] In 632, a few months after returning to Medina from the Farewell Pilgrimage, Muhammad fell ill and died. Before his death, most of the Arabian Peninsula had converted to Islam, and he had united Arabia into a single Muslim religious polity.

    The prior Christian, Jewish and pagan religion countries were attacked, their temples and churches destroyed, and forced conversions to Islam.

    From it's start, Islam was a religion of war, religious intolerance and forced conversions - convert or be killed. From this start it continued as a war-religion attacking every country and people in every direction - for the next centuries- as far East as India and as far West as Spain and France.

    President Obama certainly has no criticism of that history whatsoever. What he condemned is that Christians resisted and fought back. In his view, for that great evil of Christians all of the West also isn't Muslim. And yes, Christian armies in defense and attempts at liberation did cite the name of "Jesus."

    The evil of the Crusades was that Western Christian nations were not defeated by centuries of Muslim invasions and therefore all Christians were not forced to become Muslims too. That is the great historic evil in his open opinion. Condemning the Crusades is his ratifying the slogan and claimed justification of Islamic violent radicals.

    President Obama has a Muslim father and grandfather. His earliest schooling was at a Muslim school. He attended the "god damn America" church. To this day he absolutely will not say the word Islam or Muhammad in any negative context - thought will say Jesus and Christian in the context of brutality and murder.

    Now that he no longer has to worry of elections, he can devote himself to stating and acting upon his real viewpoints:
    1. That the USA is an evil country of evil white Christians, along with evil white Europeans, that have brought misery to the whole world
    2. That Muslims worldwide should unit into a world super power.
    3. That opposing a Muslim world superpower is wrong.

    Regardless of what he says and what minor actions he takes to divert from public outrage, his actual real policy decisions and actions will be on those beliefs.
    The truth of your words lies in the fact that apart from a small sliver of land called Israel, the Muslims control the entire Middle East, despite the Christians and Jews being there first. They will continue to try and eliminate Israel and, with the help of the Left and their leaders, they may well succeed.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Whoa!!! Are you denying it was Democrats who created the Jim Crow Laws??
    Once again you forget the words Southern Conservatives in your post.
    Did you miss the genesis of Nixon's 'Southern Strategy' that began after the Civil War, caused by 'Radical Republicans' not using Lincoln's Reconstruction .
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The truth of your words lies in the fact that apart from a small sliver of land called Israel, the Muslims control the entire Middle East, despite the Christians and Jews being there first. They will continue to try and eliminate Israel and, with the help of the Left and their leaders, they may well succeed.
    So here we have another GOP poster accusing the left (Democrats) of trying to eliminate Israel.
    Haven't you ever wondered why 75% of American Jews vote for Democrats ?
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Today, your kind refers to liberals as Democrats.
    Unless you need to refer to Southern Conservatives, today's GOP base, as Democrats .
    Not sure where you're going with this.

    The Jim Crow Laws were passed by Democrats and protected by Democrats. There is no evidence that any Christians fought for these laws. None. It was the racist Democrats who enacted these laws and no amount of obfuscation will change that historical fact.

    In fact it was the Christian leaders, such as Martin Luther King and William Wilberforce, who famously fought against slavery.

    The Democrats cannot seem to come to terms with their past. Isn't it about time you did a few mea culpas, worked against racism, and moved on?

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    So here we have another GOP poster accusing the left (Democrats) of trying to eliminate Israel.Haven't you ever wondered why 75% of American Jews vote for Democrats ?
    We only need look to the president to see where he stands with Israel and the Muslims. And of course I only said they would help.

    Yes, I have wondered why even one Jew would would for the Democrats, and the same holds true for Blacks.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The truth of your words lies in the fact that apart from a small sliver of land called Israel, the Muslims control the entire Middle East, despite the Christians and Jews being there first. They will continue to try and eliminate Israel and, with the help of the Left and their leaders, they may well succeed.
    They want more than just to eliminate Israel. They want the whole world.

    What is never discussed is that at the core of their religious belief is the goal of a worldwide world war, that prophesy says they will win. Muslims are 1/4th of the world population. While there are claims the percentage of Christians is slightly higher, a much larger percentage of Christians are Christian in self identity only and do not practice Christianity. A large percentage of Muslims practice the religion of Islam daily. Muslims generally do NOT share the usual religious tolerance of Christians either.

    There is a VERY (very) small train of thought in radical Christianity that also believes in the same world war, but that belief is very ingrained into a large portion of Muslim population. The goal is not peace nor co-existence. It remains what the religion of Islam began with by Muhammad - a war-religion of invasion, conquest and absolute religious intolerance.

    Are they fought now while small in active numbers and highly fragmented into different factions, regions and countries in an unified manner? Or do we hope they change their views with they have a unified half a billion people with WMDs of all kinds and fully integrated into our countries - while we are fully excluded from theirs?

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Just an FYI - the issue isn't about how ISIL/ISIS has been characterized in a general sense whether as a major or minor terrorist group. This is about how people of all religious faiths be it Christianity, Islam, Judaism or Hindu have all committed evil acts in the name of their God and their faith. Try to stay on point.
    Try reading how that London Historian embarrassed BO peep, and what he thought he knew about history.

    Stay focused on that.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    We only need look to the president to see where he stands with Israel and the Muslims. And of course I only said they would help.

    Yes, I have wondered why even one Jew would would for the Democrats, and the same holds true for Blacks.
    The phrase is "the self hating Jew." Have you ever heard that before?

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Come on, MMC. Even the individual you've quoted makes it clear that radical Muslim extremist groups like ISIS "takes existing (Islamic) believes and makes them more appealing" to those they brainwash into believing a different version of their religious faith using "religious justification for their violence". The very thing you've quoted proves that what President Obama said in his National Prayer Breakfast speech is 100% correct.
    That's what Heretics do......and oh those all coming out to talk about how as usual BO peep got it wrong. Helps with the real perspective as to how he was interpreted. Even from those overseas.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    This kind of thing illustrates the problems of mixing politics, government and religion. That's why it needs to be avoided. The U.S. government needs to focus on what can be observed empirically. What we can observe is behavior and we can say that if you behave a certain way, this is how the government will respond. It should be kept as simple as that. We don't need to be condemning and killing people in the name of relgion. Neither should we be engaged in telling religions what they can and cannot teach. What we can say is that anyone who teaches and encourages people to go out and kill innocent people will be punished. It does not matter whether it is a certain religion or not. In other words, IT IS WRONG FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO SAY THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW ISLAM SPECIFICALLY TO TEACH THIS OR THAT. That is totally out of the bounds for the government to do that. What we can say is that ANYONE who teaches certain things will not be tolerated, regardless of whether it is a religion or not.

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