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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Did the Islamic kingdom in Spain persucute Christians and Jews?
    Well, yes. For one...they conquered the previous kingdoms in Spain, and they imposed taxes specifically on non-Muslims. Further, there are reports of pogroms on Jews and at times both Jews and Christians faced death if they did not convert, causing many to convert or flee their homes.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I have no idea what Limbaugh l;and is, I have never heard the man and don't care.
    Of course you do. rush is the sole source of your information about the whole world, along w/hannity, glenn beck, fauxnews, etc. as is the case for all conservatives.

    That's another thing entertaining about the right--they get their whole world view from these mega-corporate commercial outlets yet are too embarrassed to admit it . And God forbid any of them should actually read a newspaper instead, much less an academic journal. Oh, yes. . .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    A TWELVE YEAR old article about "experts" opining a "maybe" BEFORE the invasion took place is a light year or thirty away from proof that it happened, as you outright claimed.
    Translates to "I prefer not to listen to an Iraq expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, because he doesn't have as much credibility as rush and sean hannity."

    Of course, there are many other sources--notably world leaders all over Europe and the ME that said the same thing, warning bush that the current situation in the ME would transpire as a result of his childish ejaculation. . .

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    King Abdullah II of Jordan advised Washington against the Iraq War but later gave the invading coalition covert and tacit support, in defiance of the overwhelming opinion of his own public.[21] The Jordanian government publicly opposed the war against Iraq. The King stressed to the United States and European Union that a diplomatic solution, in accordance with UN Security Council (UNSC) resolutions 1284 (1999) and 1409 (2002), was the only appropriate model for resolving the conflict between Iraq and the UN.[22] In August 2002 he told the Washington Post that an attempt to invade Iraq would be a "tremendous mistake" and that it could "throw the whole area into turmoil"

    -- King Abdullah of Jordan, 2002
    There's no doubt that Chirac's opposition is sustained by a deeply held conviction that the consequences of a war to dislodge Saddam Hussein would be far worse than any potential benefit. "Chirac thinks he understands the Middle East very well," says one Western diplomat in Paris, "and truly believes that military action will have a destabilizing effect on the region."

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    That was a different situation. We were not convinced that that war made sense. We were sure that there were no weapons of mass destruction, and we were concerned that the entire region would be destabilized in the long term. Besides, there was no NATO mission, nor was there any legitimization by the UN Security Council.

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    This is a scalable context timeline. It contains events related to the event August 4, 2002: Scowcroft Warns That Invading Iraq Could Destabilize Middle East, ‘Destroy War on Terror’

    Context of 'August 4, 2002: Scowcroft Warns That Invading Iraq Could Destabilize Middle East, ‘Destroy War on Terror’'
    ''I do not believe it is in the United States' interests, or the interest of the region, or the world's interest, to do so,'' Crown Prince Abdullah told ABC News. ''And I don't believe it will achieve the desired result.'

    Saudis Warn Against Attack on Iraq by the United States - NYTimes.com
    And then there are the strategic experts on the inside who gave the Texan nincompoop the same exact warning. . .

    Bush and his administration were also warned not to invade Iraq, not only by their own terrorism expert, but by others both within and without their administration.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=bR...20east&f=false



    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Classic sewage...a decade plus old article about an opinion presented as proof. Guberland?
    The anal output of right wing America is most certainly comparable to classic sewage, but it's all they can muster out of their limited neurons. And so, we can't just criticize them--after all, despite how pathetic their childish ramblings are, its a great source of pride for the right.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    If one read the Koran, there are passages that refer to Christians and Jews as "people of the books" or followers of the abrahamic concept of one god.
    Yeah, the problem there becomes Abrogation. Muhammed wasn't happy that Jews and Christians didn't rush to convert and so (similar to Luther, really, now that I think of it), later on, "Allah changed his mind".

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, yes. For one...they conquered the previous kingdoms in Spain, and they imposed taxes specifically on non-Muslims. Further, there are reports of pogroms on Jews and at times both Jews and Christians faced death if they did not convert, causing many to convert or flee their homes.
    Want a fun lesson learned? Go check out how the Hindu Kush got it's name. It'll put the whole Pakistan/India thing into an interesting light.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    [QUOTE=solletica;1064287548]Of course you do. rush is the sole source of your information about the whole world, along w/hannity, glenn beck, fauxnews, etc. as is the case for all conservatives.

    That's another thing entertaining about the right--they get their whole world view from these mega-corporate commercial outlets yet are too embarrassed to admit it . And God forbid any of them should actually read a newspaper instead, much less an academic journal. Oh, yes. . .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y



    Translates to "I prefer not to listen to an Iraq expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, because he doesn't have as much credibility as rush and sean hannity."

    Of course, there are many other sources--notably world leaders all over Europe and the ME that said the same thing, warning bush that the current situation in the ME would transpire as a result of his childish ejaculation. . .











    And then there are the strategic experts on the inside who gave the Texan nincompoop the same exact warning. . .








    The anal output of right wing America is most certainly comparable to classic sewage, but it's all they can muster out of their limited neurons. And so, we can't just criticize them--after all, despite how pathetic their childish ramblings are, its a great source of pride for the right.
    Listen it's been...but would you do me a favor?

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    He's not excusing it at all. He is pointing out that this isn't the first time in history that people have used religion as a shield to justify their violence. It doesn't mean that he is saying that what ISIS is doing is ok....exactly the opposite. Doh!

    He IS excusing it-- that's the problem. He is accepting the argument the al queda types make-- that Moslems has been brutalized over the years, lands robbed and stolen and so on. He is rationalizing his indifference to what has been going on.

    And its so hypocritical: the man who spent the last six years denying any connection exists between jihad and Islam has no problem identifying a connection between the crusades and Christianity or the Inquisition and Christianity. If the president is willing to condemn sins of Christianity from half a millennia ago, is it too much to ask him to condemn sins of Islam from the past six months?

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, and the other day he called them an Organization. Before that he called them the JV Team. He still says they are not Islamic.....despite them having Islamic Clerics to promote their version of Islam.
    Just an FYI - the issue isn't about how ISIL/ISIS has been characterized in a general sense whether as a major or minor terrorist group. This is about how people of all religious faiths be it Christianity, Islam, Judaism or Hindu have all committed evil acts in the name of their God and their faith. Try to stay on point.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    As best as I can gather from MMC, he's upset that Obama...like pretty much nearly everyone else...calls them ISIL or ISIS instead of "Al Qaeda". Why that bothers him about Obama, when I can't really think of any political leader or really any person I've read or heard routinely refer to ISIL/ISIS as "Al Qaeda" is beyond me.
    From what I've gathered from a general reading of this thread, there are several people who believe that ISIL/ISIS is nothing more than a spin-off of Al-Qaeda. The crazy thing is even Al-Qaeda leaders have said that ISIL/ISIS is far more brutal than they are and have taken steps to distance themselves from them. I'd have to say those who are upset that the President won't link the two terror groups together are either extremely partisan or extremely delusional.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    They are Islamic, and such would be this way when using the term Heretics. Even others overseas think and say so.



    In a telephone interview with AFP, one of the authors, Syrian-born journalist Hassan Hassan, said it was vital to understand that some of the group's core religious beliefs were widely shared. "It presents itself as an apocalyptic movement, talking about the end of days, the return of the caliphate and its eventual domination of the world," said Hassan, who lives in Abu Dhabi where he works as a researcher for a think tank.

    "These beliefs are not on the margins -- they are absolutely mainstream. They are preached by mosques across the world, particularly in the Middle East. "ISIS takes these existing beliefs and makes them more appealing by offering a project that is happening right now," he said, using an alternative name for IS. IS uses certain texts and in-house clerics to provide religious justification for their violence, particularly a book called "The Management of Savagery", which argues that brutality is a useful tool for goading the West into an over-reaction.....snip~


    IS has built near-impregnable base and mass appeal: new book
    Come on, MMC. Even the individual you've quoted makes it clear that radical Muslim extremist groups like ISIS "takes existing (Islamic) believes and makes them more appealing" to those they brainwash into believing a different version of their religious faith using "religious justification for their violence". The very thing you've quoted proves that what President Obama said in his National Prayer Breakfast speech is 100% correct.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What about the murder and vile acts that the Muslims committed in Europe, Africa and Asia during the three centuries before the Crusades?

    It was Muslims who murdered 1 million Armenians just a hundred years ago.

    It will never cease to amaze me how educated people are so ignorant of history.

    Nobody seems to want to even acknowledge those events.
    No one's claiming that Muslims of the past didn't commit such acts in the name of their faith or their God any more than anyone is denying some so-called Muslims of today, i.e., ISIL/ISIS, the Talibanor evan Al-Qaeda haven't done it. If you're suggesting that a poster in this thread has said otherwise, I'd very much like for you to point them out because I don't think anyone has said that.
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