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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I will not call ISIS or any group that sympathizes with their views anything other than what I already call them.

    Madmen, fanatics, murderers, sociopaths, terrorists.

    I can identify them without dragging the religion they claim to represent into discusion.
    What you choose to call them is relevant only to you. They are Muslims who are following their interpretation of the Koran and that is just the way it is.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I will not call ISIS or any group that sympathizes with their views anything other than what I already call them.

    Madmen, fanatics, murderers, sociopaths, terrorists.

    I can identify them without dragging the religion they claim to represent into discusion.
    Uh huh. So can President Obama. And IMO you both are playing right into their hands of the Mullahs who are directing the terrorist operations when you do so.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And if we I idenify them like that, you are giving ISIS the ability to drag 1.5 billion people into a war of self-destruction.
    Oh really? Are Muslims really so sensitive that they will self destruct if criticized?

    In fact when they are criticized they often go out on a killing rampage against others. Islam has a wealth of comedic value and most everyone with an eye for comedy understands that. But of course laughing at Islam is a killing offense, which makes most comedians reluctant to joke about them.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What you choose to call them is relevant only to you. They are Muslims who are following their interpretation of the Koran and that is just the way it is.
    So that means That particular interpretation of Islam and the people who follow that particular interpretation alone should be identified as the problem, right?
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Uh huh. So can President Obama. And IMO you both are playing right into their hands of the Mullahs who are directing the terrorist operations when you do so.
    And the mullahs do not speak for all Muslims, just as Christians reject the pope when he states that he speaks for all Christians.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I agree absolutely. But that's where good judgement and leadership with long term strategies come in.

    During the Cold War there was largely a continuation of the policies suggested by George Kennan but in the case of the Middle East the policies of one administration, decided on by both political parties (with even Jimmy Carter belatedly catching on), was completely overturned by the succeeding President who didn't seem aware of the consequences of his actions.

    Will the next President overturn this isolationist policy or will the nation be at war again, and another change ensure four years later? There has to be a long term strategy in place and if there is one in the present administration few seem to know what it is.

    Heya Grant These guys came up with something on the 16th of January.




    A hard reality is finally sinking in across America: for a long time now – actually, for more than thirty-five years – the United States has been at war with an enemy sworn to its destruction.

    It did not seek enmity or hostilities with them. Both are the product of forces that long predated the establishment of this country, to say nothing of its adoption toward the end of the 20th Century of certain policies towards the Middle East or other regions. The enemy is the Global Jihad Movement. And it is inspired, guided, and enabled by the Islamic supremacist doctrine its adherents call shariah. For much of this period, the U.S. government has pursued various approaches to the threats posed by that enemy – including selective military engagements, benign neglect, willful blindness, and outright appeasement. They have all shared one common denominator: They ignore the aforementioned realities and, as a practical matter, have exacerbated them. Yet, no one has advanced a more reality-based, more practical and more effective way to counter, let alone defeat, this ideologically driven enemy.

    Until now.....snip~

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Like many others, it's apparent you have to stretch reality to the point of breaking to think the logic of your argument makes any sense.

    At present, terrorists are causing havoc around the world in the name of their god. Tens of thousands of videos and propaganda pieces exist where Allah Akbar is chanted, yelled, etc. by these terrorist fighters. The recent terrorist attacks in France produced videos of the terrorists yelling Allah Akbar in the street.

    The Ft Hood terrorist had converted and communicated with known terrorist instigators. He yelled Allah Akbar while eviscerating unsuspecting victims. Only the most desperate and warped minds can try to view that event as something other than a terrorist attack.

    Terrorist means what it means. PC efforts won't change that. It remains a mystery why the Obama Administration, and I guess, people like you, have such a difficult time calling events for what they are.
    My reality is just fine but yours is full of holes.

    Apparently, the "desperate and warped minds" at the DoD characterized the Fort Hood shootings as "workplace violence" instead of terrorism because of jurisdiction differences between the military and the FBI. To the military he is an employee, to the FBI he's a terrorist. There now, that mystery was solved in a matter of seconds simply by using Google.

    After 9/11, there were terrorists hiding under every bed and behind every bush and no one was immune from getting labeled a terrorist. Stupid, mindless fear gave us the Patriot Act and took away a lot of our freedom. You don't need to kill anyone to get labeled a terrorist in this country ...just try to take some fingernail clippers onto an airplane...or donate money to an animal rights group....or post an anti-government opinion on Facebook...or engage in any kind of civil disobedience and voila, you qualify as a terrorist. So if terrorism doesn't quite mean what it used to, we have GWBush and I guess people like you to thank for that.

    Obama has said that "ISIS a terrorist group, pure and simple". But the right wing are upset because he doesn't call them an 'Islamic" terrorist group. Apparently, he doesn't think ISIS represents Islam the religion. Yes, the Fort Hood shooting was an act of terror and has been reclassified as such...but you still won't find many people in government openly calling it an "Islamic" terrorist act for the same reason.


    Personally, I don't have a problem calling ISIS is an Islamic terrorist death cult. And when Christians kill Gays, doctors and threaten women for exercising their rights, I don't have a problem calling them Christian terrorists, either. That sword that swings both ways as far as I'm concerned.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    So that means That particular interpretation of Islam and the people who follow that particular interpretation alone should be identified as the problem, right?
    Right. That's why we call them Muslim Extremists, or Islamic terrorists, and so forth.

    If you are trying to make the point that not all Muslims are terrorists there are thousands, perhaps millions, who have done that already.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Grant These guys came up with something on the 16th of January.




    A hard reality is finally sinking in across America: for a long time now – actually, for more than thirty-five years – the United States has been at war with an enemy sworn to its destruction.

    It did not seek enmity or hostilities with them. Both are the product of forces that long predated the establishment of this country, to say nothing of its adoption toward the end of the 20th Century of certain policies towards the Middle East or other regions. The enemy is the Global Jihad Movement. And it is inspired, guided, and enabled by the Islamic supremacist doctrine its adherents call shariah. For much of this period, the U.S. government has pursued various approaches to the threats posed by that enemy – including selective military engagements, benign neglect, willful blindness, and outright appeasement. They have all shared one common denominator: They ignore the aforementioned realities and, as a practical matter, have exacerbated them. Yet, no one has advanced a more reality-based, more practical and more effective way to counter, let alone defeat, this ideologically driven enemy.Until now.....snip~Center for Security Policy | It’s Time For The ‘Secure Freedom’ Strategy
    Thanks so much for that MMC and it is very encouraging. There is no doubt though that, as with Ronald Reagan, America's internal enemies will be in lockstep with those who would destroy her, thereby making the profound challenge that much more difficult.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And the mullahs do not speak for all Muslims, just as Christians reject the pope when he states that he speaks for all Christians.
    The Mullahs speak for those who commit terrorist acts. The Pope does not presume to speak for all Christians. He presumes to speak for all Catholics. And yes, many Catholicss do not obey the dictates of the Pope. There was once a time those who opposed the Pope were subject to the Inquisition or worse. That time has not existed for a very long time now.

    The Muslims who disobey the Mullahs, however, do not yet enjoy the non interference that the Catholics enjoy.

    It would be wise to acknowledge that.
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