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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Presidents are forever asking gods blessings on our troops. If I put together a a tape end to end of presidents proclaiming "god bless our troops" as they are sent into battle, you would be listening for a very long time!!! There's little difference in the blessings of Allah proclaimed upon the "enemies" we've been fighting.
    I think it's one thing to say God bless our troops. But when you start talking about killing people and saying that God told you to do it, or that he have the right to do it because we are one nation under God, that is a very, very big problem.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I think it's one thing to say God bless our troops. But when you start talking about killing people and saying that God told you to do it, or that he have the right to do it because we are one nation under God, that is a very, very big problem.
    In fact, George Bush declared that god directed his foreign policy. Can I say hypocrisy!!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Because it's a contextually shallow narrative.

    Christianity's use in the Crusades was not significantly different than some of its contemporaries, nor were the actions of the Crusades markedly outside of the cultural norms of what would be considered the developed world at that time. While that in no way excuses the violence that occured or the attrocities committed, the reality is that one must look at it at least in part within the context of the time it occured.

    This is not the case with regards to ISIS. Their methods and actions are significantly outside the cultural norms of the developed world. Their aggressive attempts to conquerer areas of land and claim them for their own, specifically in the name of their religion, is not in line with rather common actions of other nations/groups in this age.

    While it's accurate to suggest violence has occured in the name of other religions in the past, attempting to equate radical islam of today to christanity of the crusades as a means of suggesting people should not criticize it by getting on their "high horse", without any defference given to the contextual realities between the two situations, is ridiculous.
    Obama wasn't lambasting Christians, nor was he calling them hypocrites. What Obama was saying is we should not allow certain people or groups to "hijack religion for their own murderous ends". Obama's point is very clearly that the actions of ISIS do NOT represent the religion of Islam, no more than the actions of the Ku Klux Klan represent the religion of Christianity. Obama's point is that people have done evil acts in the name of religion all throughout history, and no religion can claim to be free of such associations.

    Honestly, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here, nor did I miss the fact you only talked about the Crusades and ignored his comment regarding slavery and racism, likely because it didn't really make sense in the context of what you were trying to say, which I don't feel really addressed what Obama said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Funny how they were fighting Muslims that decided to take over someone else's stuff then too. Seems to be a recurring issue..
    Who was, the Ku Klux Klan? Segregation laws was fighting Muslims who decided to take over someone else's stuff?

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You really don't see the problem with excusing what is going on today with ISIS, to that of events of 500 and 800 years ago? Really?
    He's not excusing it at all. He is pointing out that this isn't the first time in history that people have used religion as a shield to justify their violence. It doesn't mean that he is saying that what ISIS is doing is ok....exactly the opposite. Doh!
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    In fact, George Bush declared that god directed his foreign policy. Can I say hypocrisy!!!
    OMG! Don't start me on that.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Who was, the Ku Klux Klan? Segregation laws was fighting Muslims who decided to take over someone else's stuff?
    Exactly. Great point!!!!!

    Recall they used to burn the cross as some sort of purification.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    He didn't excuse ISIS, he called them barbarians and evil. He was merely pointing out that you can't judge all muslims by the actions of the few. And he was doing that because our fight against them becomes easier if the moderate muslims are on our side.
    Then why can't he say their name? One must be able to defines one enemy.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You really don't see the problem with excusing what is going on today with ISIS, to that of events of 500 and 800 years ago? Really?
    It takes a special breed of partisanship to see Obama's comments as making excuses for ISIS. Seriously.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Then why can't he say their name? One must be able to defines one enemy.
    He says it plenty. Does he have to work it into every sentence?


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Obama = Jeremiah Light
    That's ****in DEEP, man
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