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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Some people on this planet have always been and will always be out of touch with what has happened and what is going on right now.

    That will have zero effect on reality.




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    Terrorism has existed since long before the United States ever existed, I haven't seen anybody suggest otherwise. What has been pointed out by many of us here, and documented in our own national intelligence estimates, as well as congressional inquiries, reports coming out of the UN and independent reports from other countries is the FACT that terrorism, and radical Islamists took a sharp increase post Iraq invasion in 2003, and not only did Obama not arrest the situation, policies he has implemented have exacerbated the problem. Neither party has been competent in the Middle East. But we can't ever get that addressed because far too many people prefer the occupation of finger pointing the opposing party and letting their own off the hook, so................until somebody who thinks like Ron Paul (on foreign policy generally and the ME specifically) has control of our foreign policy, then we can expect continued military interventions and other interferences that perpetuate the growing threat.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The study was conducted secretly due to the classified information that was viewed in compiling it. But we all know you didn't read it because it just further evidence of the failure of US policy in the region, something that twists your nickers about your knees and you just can't stand it. It was a National Intelligence Estimate, but Canadians may not understand how those work in America.
    So this 'classified secret study' is for American eyes only? And it was also a secret "National Intelligence Estimate"?

    You seems to have access to secrets that few others know about. Are you affiliated with Edward Snowden at all?

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you referring to Barrack Obama here?
    Do you feel he was out of touch when he made those remarks?


    If I was referring to Obama I would have used his name.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Yes. If there had been no fear of terrorist activities prior to 2003, why in the hell had there been numerous U.N. resolutions to deal with Saddam? Why do we have transcripts of eloquent speeches from both Democrats and Republicans in Congress stressing the necessity of dealing with Saddam in the Congressional Record? Why did we maintain 13 years of sanctions and no-fly zones in the wake of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and almost certain invasion of Saudi Arabia had we not intervened in Desert Storm/Desert Shield in 1990? And how much longer should we have kept those sanctions and no fly zones in place considering that they were greatly enriching Saddam who had every reason to continue them, but because he didn't use the Food for Oil monies to help the people, the sanctions were creating terrible hardships for them including an estimated 50,000 deaths, a great many of those children, suffering from malnutrition and lack of medical treatment.

    And remember that 9/11 happened before the invasion of Iraq. Did Bush's invasion of Iraq cause that? Or any of dozens of terrorist acts committed on America or Americans long before the Bush administration? Here's a pretty good list that hits the major attacks but leaves out hundreds of less major incidents and does not include the hundreds of events that occurred against other than Americans: Terrorist Attacks in the U.S. or Against Americans

    Who is to say that the invasion of Iraq created terrorists or terrorism or that it would not have escalated to this point had we not invaded first Afghanistan and then Iraq? That is as absurd as blaming Clinton for Timothy McVeigh's bombing at Oklahoma city.

    But the fact remains that all terrorism is not committed by Muslims. But the vast majority of terrorist acts in the world today is done in the name of Islam/Allah/Mohammed under interpretations of the Qu'ran and Hadith that require all faithful Muslims to bring the whole world under the authority of Allah.

    And if our President does not wake up to and acknowledge that, he becomes part of the problem.


    Again I ask of the Obama blatherers to supply a list of Democrat senators and congressmen who voted "no" on the invasion of Iraq and be clear on how Obama voted.

    Classic now that he is clearly losing the war, the debate must be shifted to history, an invasion ten years ago, Reagan and, I expect soon, some blame heaped at Eisenhower just as soon as they figure out where to find some bloggers who know who that is.

    The president has justified the enemy. He has consistently tried to undermine and lessen the atrocities of his not-Muslim, not terrorists from a "spontaneous demonstration, to a fake and unnecessary war in Libya that has de-stabilized the country, to a mess in Iraq when he had inherited a controlled situation [enough he could meet the time table, allowed a war to rage in Syria for five years before mentioning red lines, and now minimizes the horror of being burned alive by a disingenuous reference to events of 1,000 years ago.

    You know, they used to call that treason.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, that is true and you are Right none of Our Top Brass should be spouting off like that unless on the Battlefield.(Then anything said will be said)

    But we also cannot run from any Religion if it seeks to dominate and rule over All others.

    Yeah Steel, I volunteered at 16 and my mother signed the papers and I was in like Flint.....I know, its the Rap music. Keeps me in my youth.
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    The thing is this MMC, when we start getting into matters of religion, we are going beyond the mundane plane into matters that are beyond empirical sense perception. Now it is indeed possible to do that, but it is very difficult, and it simply cannot be done without the help of someone who is divine like Jesus. Because we are not on the level of Jesus such that we can directly perceive that which is indeed divine, we need to focus on what we can do. As a nation, we can elect leaders to determine what is in our interests as a nation and declare what we will do if we think that someone or a group is in violation of those interests. Real religion is not about dominating others. Real religion is about doing the will of God, no matter what. That is what made Abraham so great, and as a result God was so pleased that he has blessed his children. It is so that all of us, no matter who we are, will learn the lesson that if we are willing to do the will of God, God will take care of us and bless our efforts. Jesus took it a step further. His relationship with God, his Father, was so intense that he would do anything to please God. Even to the point of tolerating being tortured and killed for the sake of others. That is pure love of God. Therefore Jesus taught that the greatest commandment is to love God with all your heart. It is not about dominating others, because everything is subject to the will of God, therefore Jesus taught that the will of God is done not only in heaven, but in the Earth as well. Where is the room for dominating others? Any rate, kind of went a bit long on that, but my point is we need to stick with where we are at. The U.S. does not need to be getting into wars on religious grounds. We should stick to what we perceive to be in our interests.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Cmon SN. That's no way to talk about our liberal and progressive brethren they got to be good for something.
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    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Terrorism has existed since long before the United States ever existed, I haven't seen anybody suggest otherwise. What has been pointed out by many of us here, and documented in our own national intelligence estimates, as well as congressional inquiries,
    reports coming out of the UN and independent reports from other countries is the FACT that terrorism, and radical Islamists took a sharp increase post Iraq invasion in 2003,
    and not only did Obama not arrest the situation, policies he has implemented have exacerbated the problem. Neither party has been competent in the Middle East. But we can't ever get that addressed because far too many people prefer the occupation of finger pointing the opposing party and letting their own off the hook, so................until somebody who thinks like Ron Paul (on foreign policy generally and the ME specifically) has control of our foreign policy, then we can expect continued military interventions and other interferences that perpetuate the growing threat.


    A lot of these terrorists are relatives, friends and fellow tribesmen of the many thousands of the people who were killed for no good reason as a result of Bush's un-necessary war in Iraq.

    Those people are looking for some payback.

    It's kind of like the Hatfields and McCoys on a world-wide scale.

    It's going to take a long time to kill all of those people.




    "What goes around, comes around."
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Terrorism has existed since long before the United States ever existed, I haven't seen anybody suggest otherwise. What has been pointed out by many of us here, and documented in our own national intelligence estimates, as well as congressional inquiries, reports coming out of the UN and independent reports from other countries is the FACT that terrorism, and radical Islamists took a sharp increase post Iraq invasion in 2003, and not only did Obama not arrest the situation, policies he has implemented have exacerbated the problem. Neither party has been competent in the Middle East. But we can't ever get that addressed because far too many people prefer the occupation of finger pointing the opposing party and letting their own off the hook, so................until somebody who thinks like Ron Paul (on foreign policy generally and the ME specifically) has control of our foreign policy, then we can expect continued military interventions and other interferences that perpetuate the growing threat.
    Yes terrorism is increasing, but is it BECAUSE of the Iraq war? There is plenty of evidence that Islamic terrorism is on the increase just about everywhere, much of which has no correlation in any way to the Iraqi invasion.

    For instance the Chechen terrorists were increasing terrorist activities around the turn of the century but well before the Iraqi invasion:
    Chechen Terrorism (Russia, Chechnya, Separatist) - Council on Foreign Relations

    And yes, the Chechens are Muslim with ties to al Qaida.

    So again the President's reluctance to identify terrorism with Islam and the Left's determination to blame George Bush for most of it remains problematic if we all want to be real about what is happening.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

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    They were all required to be Democrats, too. The pro-slavery, pro-segregation, pro-lynching, pro-Jim Crow party.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Yes. If there had been no fear of terrorist activities prior to 2003, why in the hell had there been numerous U.N. resolutions to deal with Saddam? Why do we have transcripts of eloquent speeches from both Democrats and Republicans in Congress stressing the necessity of dealing with Saddam in the Congressional Record? Why did we maintain 13 years of sanctions and no-fly zones in the wake of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and almost certain invasion of Saudi Arabia had we not intervened in Desert Storm/Desert Shield in 1990? And how much longer should we have kept those sanctions and no fly zones in place considering that they were greatly enriching Saddam who had every reason to continue them, but because he didn't use the Food for Oil monies to help the people, the sanctions were creating terrible hardships for them including an estimated 50,000 deaths, a great many of those children, suffering from malnutrition and lack of medical treatment.

    And remember that 9/11 happened before the invasion of Iraq. Did Bush's invasion of Iraq cause that? Or any of dozens of terrorist acts committed on America or Americans long before the Bush administration? Here's a pretty good list that hits the major attacks but leaves out hundreds of less major incidents and does not include the hundreds of events that occurred against other than Americans: Terrorist Attacks in the U.S. or Against Americans

    Who is to say that the invasion of Iraq created terrorists or terrorism or that it would not have escalated to this point had we not invaded first Afghanistan and then Iraq? That is as absurd as blaming Clinton for Timothy McVeigh's bombing at Oklahoma city.

    But the fact remains that all terrorism is not committed by Muslims. But the vast majority of terrorist acts in the world today is done in the name of Islam/Allah/Mohammed under interpretations of the Qu'ran and Hadith that require all faithful Muslims to bring the whole world under the authority of Allah.

    And if our President does not wake up to and acknowledge that, he becomes part of the problem.


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