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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Steel. .....


    Historians Weigh in on Obama's Comparison of ISIS Militants to Medieval Christian Crusaders.....

    Meanwhile, historians have been quick to discourage a link between ISIS and the Crusaders, who fought to reclaim holy lands in the Middle East nearly 900 years ago.

    “I don’t think the president knows very much about the crusades,” Thomas Madden, a historian at the University of St. Louis, told ABC News. “He seems to be casting them as an example of a distortion of Christianity and trying to compare that to what he sees as a distortion of Islam in the actions of ISIS,” Madden said. “The initial goal of the Crusades was to give back lands to Christians that been conquered, due to Muslim conquests.”

    Thomas Asbridge, a historian at the University of London, said in a statement to ABC News, “It is true to say, that by modern standards, atrocities were committed by crusaders, as they were by their Muslim opponents, it is however, far less certain that, by medieval standards, crusading violence could be categorized as distinctly extreme in all instances.” Asbridge said he doesn’t have a problem with the president reminding the world that the Christian Church “advocated violence, and at times even encouraged its adherents to engage in warfare” but to suggest a causal link between ISIS and the distant medieval phenomenon of the Crusades is “grounded in the manipulation and misrepresentation of historical evidence.”.....snip~

    https://gma.yahoo.com/historians-wei...233947247.html


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    Asbridge said he doesn’t have a problem with the president reminding the world that the Christian Church “advocated violence, and at times even encouraged its adherents to engage in warfare” but to suggest a causal link between ISIS and the distant medieval phenomenon of the Crusades is “grounded in the manipulation and misrepresentation of historical evidence.”
    “is grounded in the manipulation and misrepresentation of historical evidence.”

    "you can keep your plan...."

    "affordable care..."

    Obama IS grounded in the manipulation and misrepresentation of everything

    At least ow we can be sure that if his lips are moving something is being manipulated and misrepresented.....like only 35 permanent jobs, I inherited this mess, it was a spontaneous demonstration, I killed Osama.........
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Please substantiate that absolutely absurd opinion.

    No where in ten years have I seen that even remotely suggested by anyone who would be even close to knowing.

    I say it's another invention of Pretzel Logic inc.
    Oh for crying out loud Fear, I know you know better than that!

    The U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq has increased the number of terrorist groups worldwide and "made the overall terrorism problem worse," a U.S. intelligence official said in a secret study.

    The assessment of the war's impact on terrorism came in a National Intelligence Estimate that represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government, CBS News learned Sunday.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-i...-terror-worse/

    Published: September 25, 2006
    WASHINGTON, Sept. 24 — Democratic lawmakers, responding to an intelligence report that found that the Iraq war has invigorated Islamic radicalism and worsened the global terrorist threat, said the assessment by American spy agencies demonstrated that the Bush administration needed to devise a new strategy for its handling of the war.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/25/wo.../25terror.html


    AND THIS IS OLD NEWS
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq has increased the number of terrorist groups worldwide and "made the overall terrorism problem worse," a U.S. intelligence official said in a secret study.
    A "secret study", huh? And how secret is it if you're quoting it on a internet forum?

    You can keep your plan.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Hi MMC!!!

    The bottom line is this, the U.S. government cannot be out fighting wars and claiming we are doing it in the name of God. Neither can the U.S. government go out and kill people because of their religious beliefs. That is dangerous. We need to focus our attention on what individuals and groups do that we find offensive, not religious ideology.

    BTW, I didn't know that you fought in Vietnam. WOW!!!!!


    Well, that is true and you are Right none of Our Top Brass should be spouting off like that unless on the Battlefield.(Then anything said will be said)

    But we also cannot run from any Religion if it seeks to dominate and rule over All others.

    Yeah Steel, I volunteered at 16 and my mother signed the papers and I was in like Flint.....I know, its the Rap music. Keeps me in my youth.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems this news still hasn't reached some parts of the world
    . Obama Flashback: 'We're Leaving Behind a Sovereign, Stable and Self-Reliant Iraq' - Breitbart


    Some people on this planet have always been and will always be out of touch with what has happened and what is going on right now.

    That will have zero effect on reality.




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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    A "secret study", huh? And how secret is it if you're quoting it on a internet forum?

    You can keep your plan.
    The study was conducted secretly due to the classified information that was viewed in compiling it. But we all know you didn't read it because it's just further evidence of the failure of US policy in the region, something that twists your nickers about your knees and you just can't stand it. It was a National Intelligence Estimate, but Canadians may not understand how those work in America.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Please substantiate that absolutely absurd opinion.

    No where in ten years have I seen that even remotely suggested by anyone who would be even close to knowing.

    I say it's another invention of Pretzel Logic inc.
    Yes. If there had been no fear of terrorist activities prior to 2003, why in the hell had there been numerous U.N. resolutions to deal with Saddam? Why do we have transcripts of eloquent speeches from both Democrats and Republicans in Congress stressing the necessity of dealing with Saddam in the Congressional Record? Why did we maintain 13 years of sanctions and no-fly zones in the wake of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and almost certain invasion of Saudi Arabia had we not intervened in Desert Storm/Desert Shield in 1990? And how much longer should we have kept those sanctions and no fly zones in place considering that they were greatly enriching Saddam who had every reason to continue them, but because he didn't use the Food for Oil monies to help the people, the sanctions were creating terrible hardships for them including an estimated 50,000 deaths, a great many of those children, suffering from malnutrition and lack of medical treatment.

    And remember that 9/11 happened before the invasion of Iraq. Did Bush's invasion of Iraq cause that? Or any of dozens of terrorist acts committed on America or Americans long before the Bush administration? Here's a pretty good list that hits the major attacks but leaves out hundreds of less major incidents and does not include the hundreds of events that occurred against other than Americans: Terrorist Attacks in the U.S. or Against Americans

    Who is to say that the invasion of Iraq created terrorists or terrorism or that it would not have escalated to this point had we not invaded first Afghanistan and then Iraq? That is as absurd as blaming Clinton for Timothy McVeigh's bombing at Oklahoma city.

    But the fact remains that all terrorism is not committed by Muslims. But the vast majority of terrorist acts in the world today is done in the name of Islam/Allah/Mohammed under interpretations of the Qu'ran and Hadith that require all faithful Muslims to bring the whole world under the authority of Allah.

    And if our President does not wake up to and acknowledge that, he becomes part of the problem.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Some people on this planet have always been and will always be out of touch with what has happened and what is going on right now.

    That will have zero effect on reality.
    Cmon SN. That's no way to talk about our liberal and progressive brethren they got to be good for something.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Here's the quote that says it...



    “is grounded in the manipulation and misrepresentation of historical evidence.”

    "you can keep your plan...."

    "affordable care..."

    Obama IS grounded in the manipulation and misrepresentation of everything

    At least ow we can be sure that if his lips are moving something is being manipulated and misrepresented.....like only 35 permanent jobs, I inherited this mess, it was a spontaneous demonstration, I killed Osama.........

    Oh you mean AQ isn't on the run.....that it is a shadow effect of itself, huh?

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Some people on this planet have always been and will always be out of touch with what has happened and what is going on right now. That will have zero effect on reality.
    Are you referring to Barrack Obama here? Do you feel he was out of touch when he made those remarks?

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