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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I searched two pages of the BN forum, and couldn't find this story anywhere, and my apologies if it was already posted...But, come on folks....Give me a damned break! This would be like Churchill during WWII telling us that although the Nazi's were bad, that maybe they were justified for what the Moore's did centuries earlier....It's a load of crap!

    There is no equivalency....It's a false narrative that once again leads some to believe that Obama protects, and runs cover for terrorists.
    He didn't excuse ISIS, he called them barbarians and evil. He was merely pointing out that you can't judge all muslims by the actions of the few. And he was doing that because our fight against them becomes easier if the moderate muslims are on our side.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    How is it a false narrative? Because it's not what you want to believe? Or because it's not your religion?
    Because it's a contextually shallow narrative.

    Christianity's use in the Crusades was not significantly different than some of its contemporaries, nor were the actions of the Crusades markedly outside of the cultural norms of what would be considered the developed world at that time. While that in no way excuses the violence that occured or the attrocities committed, the reality is that one must look at it at least in part within the context of the time it occured.

    This is not the case with regards to ISIS. Their methods and actions are significantly outside the cultural norms of the developed world. Their aggressive attempts to conquerer areas of land and claim them for their own, specifically in the name of their religion, is not in line with rather common actions of other nations/groups in this age.

    While it's accurate to suggest violence has occured in the name of other religions in the past, attempting to equate radical islam of today to christanity of the crusades as a means of suggesting people should not criticize it by getting on their "high horse", without any defference given to the contextual realities between the two situations, is ridiculous.

    I'd be interested as well to see how many of the liberals/democrats seemingly agreeing with Obama's reasoning are also ones who like to get on their "high horse" about racist elements that align themselves with the Tea Party Movement or with the Republican party...you know, considering that at some point in previous history Democrats had racist elements aligning themselves with their party and groups. Will they or Obama employ the same method of declaring such elements as "not real" Tea partiers or Republicans and condemning those who attempt to conflate the two, even if they're doing so by describing them as a direct subset?

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin JMac. Here is what Jonah Goldberg has to say about this.....oh and he takes BO peep to task. He needs to be more vocal and keep the Highlight on the BO's incompetence.
    While I can very much understand the view that Obama has been incompetent on some things, I don't agree with the author's assertion at all that we have a right to sit on a high horse and judge. That is the very thing that people like OBL do. They go out and kill people in the name of God, while at the same time violating religious principles by such murder. That is not to say that we should not say that what ISIS and other terrorists do is wrong, and Obama did indeed condemn ISIS in his speech

    “We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious, death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism, terrorizing religious minorities like the Yazidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.”
    But this stuff of saying that God told me to go fight terrorists in Afghanistan is way over the line, and Obama's assertion that we could do things like kill OBL because we are one nation under God is dangerous. That is indeed a high horse that we have no right whatsoever to climb upon, and anyone who thinks that we do is simply wrong.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    How is it a false narrative? Because it's not what you want to believe? Or because it's not your religion?
    Funny how they were fighting Muslims that decided to take over someone else's stuff then too. Seems to be a recurring issue..

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'd be interested as well to see how many of the liberals/democrats seemingly agreeing with Obama's reasoning are also ones who like to get on their "high horse" about racist elements
    That makes no sense whatsoever and is merely partisan bias. You do it, but don't climb on a high horse and say I am better than you, listen to what I say or I will burn you alive.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I searched two pages of the BN forum, and couldn't find this story anywhere, and my apologies if it was already posted...But, come on folks....Give me a damned break! This would be like Churchill during WWII telling us that although the Nazi's were bad, that maybe they were justified for what the Moore's did centuries earlier....It's a load of crap!

    There is no equivalency....It's a false narrative that once again leads some to believe that Obama protects, and runs cover for terrorists.
    The O administration supported the MB in Egypt, used al Qaeda to overthrow Gaddafi in Libya, smuggled arms through the Benghazi annex via Turkey to the terrorist groups fighting president Assad, who has been wagging his own war on terrorism. Where have you been hiding if its just now come to you that US foreign policy is FAIL???????
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    While I can very much understand the view that Obama has been incompetent on some things, I don't agree with the author's assertion at all that we have a right to sit on a high horse and judge. That is the very thing that people like OBL do. They go out and kill people in the name of God, while at the same time violating religious principles by such murder. That is not to say that we should not say that what ISIS and other terrorists do is wrong, and Obama did indeed condemn ISIS in his speech

    But this stuff of saying that God told me to go fight terrorists in Afghanistan is way over the line, and Obama's assertion that we could do things like kill OBL because we are one nation under God is dangerous. That is indeed a high horse that we have no right whatsoever to climb upon, and anyone who thinks that we do is simply wrong.



    Mornin' Steel. He was trying to equate that with Christianity. He just forgot that the Christians had a reformation. When Islam has theirs then they to can sit in the Saddle too.

    Until then.....Islam best do what they need to. In order to take back their religion.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Obama = Jeremiah Light

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' Steel. He was trying to equate that with Christianity. He just forgot that the Christians had a reformation. When Islam has theirs then they to can sit in the Saddle too.

    Until then.....Islam best do what they need to. In order to take back their religion.
    Hi MMC!!! As always a pleasure.

    Although I hear what you are saying, we should also recognize that although there was a reformation, there are still people who profess to be Christians killing people in the name of God. Recall Jim Jones. I'm telling you that everyone of us needs to be very careful about using religion for our on selfish ends. There is quite a bit of it in the world today. That is a big problem and sometimes it is very difficult to see it. I have personally seen some very intelligent people make very big mistakes in this way. Again, we don't need to be jumping on that high horse. Jesus could do that, but he could also tolerate being crucified and feeling no malice toward the perpetrators. Are we that qualified? If not, we really don't need to be on that high horse.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Hi MMC!!! As always a pleasure.

    Although I hear what you are saying, we should also recognize that although there was a reformation, there are still people who profess to be Christians killing people in the name of God. Recall Jim Jones. I'm telling you that everyone of us needs to be very careful about using religion for our on selfish ends. There is quite a bit of it in the world today. That is a big problem and sometimes it is very difficult to see it. I have personally seen some very intelligent people make very big mistakes in this way. Again, we don't need to be jumping on that high horse. Jesus could do that, but he could also tolerate being crucified and feeling no malice toward the perpetrators. Are we that qualified? If not, we really don't need to be on that high horse.
    Presidents are forever asking gods blessings on our troops. If I put together a a tape end to end of presidents proclaiming "god bless our troops" as they are sent into battle, you would be listening for a very long time!!! There's little difference in the blessings of Allah proclaimed upon the "enemies" we've been fighting.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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