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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I suspect that the same people criticizing Obama for not labeling the Fort Hood shooting as an act of terror are the same people that complained when he assassinated the Fort Hood shooter's mentor, al-Awlaki in Yemen. Some people are just whiners and impossible to please.

    Motives for mass killings are numerous but you've decided that yelling Allah Akbar makes it an act of terrorism? Would yelling "in God's name" while slaughtering people at an abortion clinic or "holy cow, batman" while slaughtering people in a theater make it an act of terrorism or is the label just for Muslims?



    I'm not the one that called it a 'mislabeling', you did.

    During the GWBush years, conservatives were labeling anyone and everyone that didn't agree with them as terrorists and still do. So perhaps the word 'terrorism' just doesn't mean as much as it used to.
    Zapping Awalaki is one of the few things Obama got right.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Second Sesame Street Word of the day for righties: credibility.

    AS in--why believe anything someone has to say who's yet to substantiate his past buffoonish assertions?
    well, obviously you are far more intelligent than the rest of us, thank you for the vocabulary lesson.

    I have a question professor.....is that credibility with or without "you can keep your plan", "I didn't say that, what I said was you can keep your plan until the insurance companies change it", "Al Qaeda is on the run"...or anything else Obama, or merely limited to "righties"

    And, professor, I have tried to look up "righties" and been unable to find a reference...does that mean all people who see through Obama, or just the "traitors, jihadists, and terrorists" duly elected to represent Americans in congress.

    I am also concerned about a deeper meaning of the Sesame street lesson, in that does "Credibility" relate in any way to such things as labeling every Republican on the face of the earth "enemies"? And can we revisit the "it was a spontaneous demonstration thing now that we have a proper definition of "credible"....

    And, can we also examine the credibility of a sitting president who allows the terrorists...oops, spontaneous demonstrators, to slip aweay and brag about how they atatcked America and got away with it, lololololol isn't that hillarious?

    so in thanking you for providing us with this droplet of socialist wisdom, and we all look forward to further enlightenment on the subject of credibility with a guy who votes "present"
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Point missed entirely!
    The same could be said for you.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    When Obama refuses to call these heinous acts terrorism and ignores them, hoping they will go away, he is aiding and abetting our enemies.
    He condemned them. The charge that Obama is aiding ISIS is totally absurd. How anyone could believe such a ridiculous notion is beyond me.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's Bush's fault and not the terrorists. Right?
    Yes, if it weren't for dumbya's silly ME ejaculation, there would have been no ISIS-type terrorists in the ME since Saddam's regime was successfully repressing such groups.

    Duh.

    And bush was a terrorist--just an incredibly stupid one (like the likeminded folks who voted for him). . .

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    As to the issue of the Crusades (and the Spanish Inquisition), I find it interesting that people would even attempt to gloss over the evil that was done in the name of God and Christ during such times. It did happen! Why the Crusades or the Inquisition began, who started it, whether or not either were benevolent is really irrelevant. Fact is, people did commit murder and other vile acts during such times in the name of God and Christ. They put their own personal ambitions ahead of their religious calling or the humane tenants of their faith. Doesn't matter whether they were during "modern times" or medieval times. The fact remains that even those who believed they were doing "God's will" still committed sinful acts in His name.
    You are correct, they did indeed do it, and the only reason people want to gloss over it is to provide cover so that they can attack Obama. It's political.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    WHAT ??

    His decision to pull every last remnant of American military personel out of Iraq for purely Political reasons didn't give them cover ?

    He gave them much more than " cover " . He gave them a opportunity.
    Are you saying he did it to give ISIS cover? The people of the U.S. elected him to get us out of Iraq.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Are you saying he did it to give ISIS cover? The people of the U.S. elected him to get us out of Iraq.
    Which suggests that those who vote for words instead of experience and character should be very afraid that they might get what they ask for huh.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Which suggests that those who vote for words instead of experience and character should be very afraid that they might get what they ask for huh.
    No it says they wanted us out of Iraq and still feel that way although you might not agree.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I'm going to try to speak to the three highlighted points above because they seem to reflect both the intellectual and emotional tone of the thread.

    I've read the transcript of the President's 2015 National Prayer Breakfast and feel confident in saying that the theme of the President's speech can be summed up in the 2nd sentence to paragraph 9:



    Religious faith used for good...religious faith subverted and used for evil. No matter what commentary you've heard about the speech, if after listening to it or reading the transcript yourself you don't walk away with an acute understanding that people and/or groups claiming to be of a particular faith have done evil things in the name of their Holy deity, then you've missed the point entirely!

    While I would agree that one should never mix religion with politics (i.e., "God spoke to me and I was compelled to ask Congress for authority to destroy our nation's enemies showing no mercy"), I don't think it's wrong to ask God for a military victory over those we are at war against (i.e., God, bless our troops as they go into battle against a foreign enemy; may they be victorious.). The trick here is the war must be justified.

    As to the issue of the Crusades (and the Spanish Inquisition), I find it interesting that people would even attempt to gloss over the evil that was done in the name of God and Christ during such times. It did happen! Why the Crusades or the Inquisition began, who started it, whether or not either were benevolent is really irrelevant. Fact is, people did commit murder and other vile acts during such times in the name of God and Christ. They put their own personal ambitions ahead of their religious calling or the humane tenants of their faith. Doesn't matter whether they were during "modern times" or medieval times. The fact remains that even those who believed they were doing "God's will" still committed sinful acts in His name.
    What about the murder and vile acts that the Muslims committed in Europe, Africa and Asia during the three centuries before the Crusades?

    It was Muslims who murdered 1 million Armenians just a hundred years ago.

    It will never cease to amaze me how educated people are so ignorant of history.

    Nobody seems to want to even acknowledge those events.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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