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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Well, radical Muslim extremism (or radical Islam) isn't Islamic. From Dictionary.com:



    Since radial Islam is neither the true teaching of the Muslim faith but rather a subverted form of Islam and the radical Muslim extremist clearly is not embraced by the whole of the Muslim world, ISIL/ISIS and the radical who follow their practices in the name of Islam are not Islamic. You can call them maniacs, religious fanatics or Muslim extremist, but they aren't Islamic.

    They are Islamic, and such would be this way when using the term Heretics. Even others overseas think and say so.



    In a telephone interview with AFP, one of the authors, Syrian-born journalist Hassan Hassan, said it was vital to understand that some of the group's core religious beliefs were widely shared. "It presents itself as an apocalyptic movement, talking about the end of days, the return of the caliphate and its eventual domination of the world," said Hassan, who lives in Abu Dhabi where he works as a researcher for a think tank.

    "These beliefs are not on the margins -- they are absolutely mainstream. They are preached by mosques across the world, particularly in the Middle East. "ISIS takes these existing beliefs and makes them more appealing by offering a project that is happening right now," he said, using an alternative name for IS. IS uses certain texts and in-house clerics to provide religious justification for their violence, particularly a book called "The Management of Savagery", which argues that brutality is a useful tool for goading the West into an over-reaction.....snip~


    http://news.yahoo.com/built-near-imp...155052600.html
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Any excuse to use religion as a way to harm people is wrong--past, present and future.
    Yes. And our Fearless Leader would amass HUGE brownie points in public opinion, if he believed that enough to just say it honestly and straight forward: those who commit such atrocities under the name of Allah or Islam or Mohammed are wrong, they are bad, they dishonor peaceful Muslims everywhere, and they deserve the severest consequences for the evil that they do. He can say that if it is a Christian. But he can't seem to make himself say that if it is a Muslim who is involved. Which makes you wonder where his heart truly lies.

    And then to make it even worse, he denigrates all of Christianity with that indefensible speech at the prayer breakfast and in effect says that no Christian has any ground to stand on to accuse a Muslim terrorist.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin JMac. Here is what Jonah Goldberg has to say about this.....oh and he takes BO peep to task. He needs to be more vocal and keep the Highlight on the BO's incompetence.
    the incompetent idiot is the brain-dead Texan fart that created the mess in the ME w/his stupid Iraq invasion, in spite of repeated warnings by everyone w/a brain that it would de-stabilize the ME, which, very obviously, it did. Had there been no Iraq invasion, there would be no ISIS or any other extremist religious group running vast swaths of territory in the former Iraq and Syria.

    The solution is obvious--every single right winger who voted for that clown needs to get their asses geared up and take the first flight out to Syria, Iraq, etc. to go fight ISIS.

    It's called taking responsibility for one's actions, something the righties like to preach but (obviously) have yet to heed--

    the conservative morons were responsible for getting the aforementioned brain fart elected, so it's their job to clean it up.

    So what are you waiting for--why are you still here?

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Wait, are you trying to say ISIS is part of Al-Qaeda? Because, if that's the case, I believe Al-Qaeda disagrees with you.

    Al-Qaeda disavows any ties with radical Islamist ISIS group in Syria, Iraq - The Washington Post
    Al-Qaida Says It Has No Ties With One Syrian Rebel Force : The Two-Way : NPR
    Wait.....what does BO's former US Joint Chief of Staff of the Army say? Seems he doesn't.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    the incompetent idiot is the brain-dead Texan fart that created the mess in the ME w/his stupid Iraq invasion, in spite of repeated warnings by everyone w/a brain that it would de-stabilize the ME, which, very obviously, it did. Had there been no Iraq invasion, there would be no ISIS or any other extremist religious group running vast swaths of territory in the former Iraq and Syria.

    The solution is obvious--every single right winger who voted for that clown needs to get their asses geared up and take the first flight out to Syria, Iraq, etc. to go fight ISIS.

    It's called taking responsibility for one's actions, something the righties like to preach but (obviously) have yet to heed--

    the conservative morons were responsible for getting the aforementioned brain fart elected, so it's their job to clean it up.

    So what are you waiting for--why are you still here?
    Back to blaming Bush again.....when it already has been shown otherwise. Which has nothing to do with AQ or ISIS or Ansar al Sharia all gaining strength under BO terms. Truly you will have to come up with a better answer than that Buuuuuuuuuuuushhh.

    I have shed blood for this country.....left piece of myself in NAM. If they would let me go and put together my own Brigade. I would be there as of 2 years ago.

    But now when you can actually put your ass on the line and stand there in the face of the enemy. Then you can talk ****.....until then. Don't talk!

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I searched two pages of the BN forum, and couldn't find this story anywhere, and my apologies if it was already posted...But, come on folks....Give me a damned break! This would be like Churchill during WWII telling us that although the Nazi's were bad, that maybe they were justified for what the Moore's did centuries earlier....It's a load of crap!

    There is no equivalency....It's a false narrative that once again leads some to believe that Obama protects, and runs cover for terrorists.
    Isn't it about time people began asking whose side this guy is really on?

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Yes. And our Fearless Leader would amass HUGE brownie points in public opinion, if he believed that enough to just say it honestly and straight forward: those who commit such atrocities under the name of Allah or Islam or Mohammed are wrong, they are bad, they dishonor peaceful Muslims everywhere, and they deserve the severest consequences for the evil that they do. He can say that if it is a Christian. But he can't seem to make himself say that if it is a Muslim who is involved. Which makes you wonder where his heart truly lies.
    You're wrong. Go back and read the article that is in the OP.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    And then to make it even worse, he denigrates all of Christianity with that indefensible speech at the prayer breakfast and in effect says that no Christian has any ground to stand on to accuse a Muslim terrorist.
    No he doesn't; his speech was non-denominational.

    (From j-mac's article from his OP.)

    Obama had a more non-denominational message for the audience that also included prominent leaders of non-Christian faiths. The president said that while religion is a source for good around the world, people of all faiths have been willing to "hijack religion for their own murderous ends."

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    You're wrong. Go back and read the article that is in the OP.

    No he doesn't; his speech was non-denominational.

    (From j-mac's article from his OP.)
    Non denominational? Which religions did he point out by name that are or have been guilty of atrocities other than Christians?
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    I liked what Bobby Jindal said today:

    "“It was nice of the President to give us a history lesson at the Prayer breakfast,” Jindal said. “Today, however, the issue right in front of his nose, in the here and now, is the terrorism of Radical Islam, the assassination of journalists, the beheading and burning alive of captives. We will be happy to keep an eye out for runaway Christians, but it would be nice if he would face the reality of the situation today. The Medieval Christian threat is under control, Mr. President. Please deal with the Radical Islamic threat today.”
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Back to blaming Bush again.....
    Because it was his fault. The ME was mostly stable before the Iraq invasion, which is why dumbya was warned repeatedly not to mess with it. Hello. . .

    Saudis Warn Against Attack on Iraq by the United States - NYTimes.com

    Context of 'August 4, 2002: Scowcroft Warns That Invading Iraq Could Destabilize Middle East, ‘Destroy War on Terror’'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    when it already has been shown otherwise.
    Please entertain us by citing when it was shown otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Which has nothing to do with AQ or ISIS or Ansar al Sharia all gaining strength under BO terms.
    Why stop there there--plenty of groups all over the world (terrorist and otherwise) have gained strength under BO's watch.

    Oh, lookie here--a journalist murdered by cartel members--

    Mexican Narcos Murder Citizen Journalist, Tweet Photo of Her Corpse

    --watch while mmc blames Obama for that, too--after all, Obama failed to stop it.

    Oh wow, here's a bunch of Muslims killed by Hindus in India for no reason. . .

    Muslims burned to death in India attack - Al Jazeera English

    HA lemme guess--O's responsible for not stopping it--of course

    Sesame Street word of the day for righties: relevance--one is only responsibly for something malicious he/she initiated, not for failing to stop the direct consequences of an act initiated by someone else (i. e. the Iraq invasion).

    Why should O or anyone be responsible for cleaning up a mess he never caused?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Truly you will have to come up with a better answer than that Buuuuuuuuuuuushhh.

    I have shed blood for this country.....
    Not enough, apparently, to learn about the concept of personal responsibility.

    If you wanna keep going on about how O isn't doing enough to stop something he never caused, time for you to put your body where your mouth is and take responsibility for something you did cause--the elections of a reckless brain-dead idiot from TX running the show from 2001 - 2008.

    As the old saying goes, put up, or. . .
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