Page 15 of 75 FirstFirst ... 513141516172565 ... LastLast
Results 141 to 150 of 746

Thread: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

  1. #141
    Sage

    ocean515's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Southern California
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    24,705

    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    My apologies!

    Article 3, section 3, clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution specifies that the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy is an element in the crime of Treason. Aid and comfort may consist of substantial assistance or the mere attempt to provide some support; actual help or the success of the enterprise is not relevant.
    Again, the mention of treason has no relevance to my post. I only mentioned the poster was referring to not calling certain ACTS for what they were. The President has referred to ISIL as a terrorist organization. He seems to have trouble identifying ACTS as being terrorist related.

    So, is there some other point you are trying to make? Or did you misunderstand my post?

  2. #142
    Sage
    AlbqOwl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    New Mexico
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:21 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    17,568
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Then to whom are you referring when you say that intelligent and fair minded people agree with you? And from the Christians and Jews waring against Muslims in the ME, the crusades, and more recent, the scourge of pedaphilia in the Catholic Church, the brutality of Buddhists oppression of Muslims in the East, the scourge of religion is manifest.
    I didn't say that intelligent and fair minded people agree with me. I said intelligent and fair minded people judge religion and religious beliefs by how their advocates behave now and not by the ancient history of those religions and religious beliefs. If you can't quote me accurately on what I did say and you didn't understand that the first time I posted it, I doubt further explanation would be helpful.

    Do have a nice day.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

  3. #143
    Sage
    Slyfox696's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 12:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    7,986

    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Here let me correct you with that again. Post 66 remember.

    The authors also emphasise that IS is not new, but rather emerged from the ashes of Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), one of the most brutal foes of the Americans following their 2003 invasion. AQI was largely defeated after the US convinced local tribes to rise up against them -- a strategy known as "The Awakening", which has deeply influenced IS strategy.

    "From the beginning, they've been obsessed with the Awakening," said Hassan. "They've done everything to prevent it happening again: built sleeper cells, bought loyalty, divided communities. "They've succeeded in making internal resistance practically impossible. No tribe will fight them, because they will find themselves fighting their own brothers and cousins."

    Although the Baathists were originally a secular movement, Saddam introduced a "Faith campaign" in the 1990s that sought to Islamise society. "Very few people have focused on the impact of that campaign," said Hassan. "It radicalised many Baathists and they combined the violence of the regime with that of jihadism, making them even worse than Al-Qaeda." "But they have combined religion, geopolitics, economics and much more in their ideology.....snip~

    Here don't let The General trick you with any wording okay?


    The former vice chief of staff of the Army warned the Senate Armed Services Committee today that al-Qaeda has “grown fourfold in the last five years.” “AQ and its affiliates exceeds Iran in beginning to dominate multiple countries,” retired four-star Gen. Jack Keane testified.

    Using a term that the Obama administration now eschews, Keane called radical Islam “the major security challenge of our generation…”The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, ISIS, is an outgrowth from Al-Qaeda in Iraq, which was defeated in Iraq by 2009.” “After U.S. troops pulled out of Iraq in 2011, ISIS reemerged as a terrorist organization in Iraq, moved into Syria in 2012, and began seizing towns and villages from the Syria-Iraq border all the way to the western Syria from Aleppo to Damascus,” he reminded the committee.

    That leads to an “unmistakable” conclusion that “our policies have failed,” Keane added.....snip~

    Four-Star General Tells Congress: Al-Qaeda Has “Grown Four-Fold in Last Five Years” | The Gateway Pundit
    Wait, are you trying to say ISIS is part of Al-Qaeda? Because, if that's the case, I believe Al-Qaeda disagrees with you.

    Al-Qaeda disavows any ties with radical Islamist ISIS group in Syria, Iraq - The Washington Post
    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...an-rebel-force
    Last edited by Slyfox696; 02-06-15 at 06:56 PM.

  4. #144
    Sage
    Montecresto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Last Seen
    03-13-16 @ 11:59 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    24,561

    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I didn't say that intelligent and fair minded people agree with me. I said intelligent and fair minded people judge religion and religious beliefs by how their advocates behave now and not by the ancient history of those religions and religious beliefs. If you can't quote me accurately on what I did say and you didn't understand that the first time I posted it, I doubt further explanation would be helpful.

    Do have a nice day.
    Do you see any quotations in my post? No, you don't. It's what you have inferred now three separate times. And I keep telling you that CURRENT religious abuse earns religion it's deserved label. But apparently, a fourth explanation of that won't help you either, so you too have you a nice evening Owl.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

  5. #145
    Sage

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Huntsville, AL (USA)
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    9,772

    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, and the other day he called them an Organization. Before that he called them the JV Team. He still says they are not Islamic.....despite them having Islamic Clerics to promote their version of Islam.
    Well, radical Muslim extremism (or radical Islam) isn't Islamic. From Dictionary.com:

    noun
    1. the religious faith of Muslims, based on the words and religious system founded by the prophet Muhammad and taught by the Koran, the basic principle of which is absolute submission to a unique and personal god, Allah.
    2. the whole body of Muslim believers, their civilization, and the countries in which theirs is the dominant religion.
    Since radial Islam is neither the true teaching of the Muslim faith but rather a subverted form of Islam and the radical Muslim extremist clearly is not embraced by the whole of the Muslim world, ISIL/ISIS and the radical who follow their practices in the name of Islam are not Islamic. You can call them maniacs, religious fanatics or Muslim extremist, but they aren't Islamic.
    "A fair exchange ain't no robbery." Tupac Shakur w/Digital Underground

  6. #146
    Sage
    AlbqOwl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    New Mexico
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:21 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    17,568
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    j-mac: The first paragraph of that story pretty much sums up the whole idea of what Obama was conveying.

    President Barack Obama on Thursday condemned those who seek to use religion as a rationale for carrying out violence around the world, declaring that "no god condones terror."
    But he was focused on the ancient history of Christianity as he expanded on his remarks and used that to justify his criticism of those who denounce acts in the name of Allah/Mohammed/Islam today.

    It would be reasonable to compare the actions of Christians in medieval times with those of Islam in medieval times to both condemn or commend both religions. It is NOT reasonable to compare the actions of Christians in medieval times as a justification for excusing Islam in modern times.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

  7. #147
    Sage
    Montecresto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Last Seen
    03-13-16 @ 11:59 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    24,561

    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Again, the mention of treason has no relevance to my post. I only mentioned the poster was referring to not calling certain ACTS for what they were. The President has referred to ISIL as a terrorist organization. He seems to have trouble identifying ACTS as being terrorist related.

    So, is there some other point you are trying to make? Or did you misunderstand my post?
    Apparently I misunderstood your post. I thought you were the one accusing Obama of aiding and abetting the enemy, sorry for that.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

  8. #148
    Sage
    Cephus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    CA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:25 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    29,797

    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Nobody is hijacking any religion, this is what those religions really are in those areas of the world. However, Obama is trying to baby a largely religious audience so they don't feel bad that religion isn't all butterflies and rainbows.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

    Blog me! YouTube me! VidMe me!

  9. #149
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Chicago Illinois
    Last Seen
    10-14-15 @ 09:28 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    56,981

    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The Ottoman Empire was preferred to what we have.
    Cmon now.....they didn't have Democrats.

  10. #150
    Weekend Political Pundit
    Bob N's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Last Seen
    12-06-17 @ 11:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,821

    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But he was focused on the ancient history of Christianity as he expanded on his remarks and used that to justify his criticism of those who denounce acts in the name of Allah/Mohammed/Islam today.

    It would be reasonable to compare the actions of Christians in medieval times with those of Islam in medieval times to both condemn or commend both religions. It is NOT reasonable to compare the actions of Christians in medieval times as a justification for excusing Islam in modern times.
    Any excuse to use religion as a way to harm people is wrong--past, present and future.

Page 15 of 75 FirstFirst ... 513141516172565 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •