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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    One is tempted that God does not condone lying either, but he's perfected a new art form..,..and I need remind him of James "do not seek to be teachers in great numbers for we all stumble in many ways..." But then he never stumbles....

    Considering that this is a highly biased accounting, it is revealing on several layers.

    One, it lessens the impact of "crusades and Slavery" the most contentious of his remarks and diverts attention to the Dalai Lama and Obama's so generous treatment in having one of the most revered religious leaders seated next to an aide. Where was this support seven years ago, when Britain, Canada, France and others all granted the Lama such courtesies and more?

    second, he has not lost sight of the fact that he is his own idol, lecturing America on theology...



    But immediately draws the comparison to Christians, and slavery by Christians......

    None of this is uniting. None of this reassures a nation at war that the enemyh is being addressed, probably because the enemy is losing. None of this brings a torn nation, divided on "enemies, traitors, jihadists, and terrorists" in the Republican benches; it is far too late in this late night drunken binge of a presidency to start moralizing on slandering the enemy. There is not one issue where his handling has brought progress, but division, illegal aliens becomes an amnesty that is not amnesty and his reaction to the insidious evil of burning a man alive is to "remain clam and vote for me", and remember we have been bad guys as recently a one thousand years ago.

    The enemy is today, this minute. Where he had two wars going when he came into office, he now has four with these not-Islamic terrorists gaining ground in seven.

    Bringing up faults of 150 and 1,000 years ago helps unify a nation at wear how exactly/


    Looks like it could be more than 7 F&L.





    Also they picked up groups in the Sinai and expanded inside Libya. Which I bumped those up in the War on Terror Forum today.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Uhmmmm, how many Muslims have they lynched and why does it triple anything the Clan did?
    Because it was done by our citizens to our citizens AND it was done because of bigotry.


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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Didn't forget that. Hell, pretty sure I've mentioned that in this thread (may've been the other on the similar topic). I've spoken negatively about that statement when it was first made as well. That's an entirely different notion however than suggesting he "can't say their name". But nice job bringing up an entirely different point and attempting to beat up that strawman.

    And I'll go with apparently my intereactions with the military and intel communities is simply different than yours. While there are definitely cross overs at points between Al-Qaeda and ISIS, and the ideology behind both are largely the same, by and large to my understanding they are two seperate entities that share some similar goals. Suggesting ISIS IS literally Al-Qaeda to my understanding would be akin to suggesting the Tea Party Movement or the NRA ARE the Republican Party, as opposed to groups that share some similar views and goals and may have individuals who belong to both or may work together at times

    Here let me correct you with that again. Post 66 remember.

    The authors also emphasise that IS is not new, but rather emerged from the ashes of Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), one of the most brutal foes of the Americans following their 2003 invasion. AQI was largely defeated after the US convinced local tribes to rise up against them -- a strategy known as "The Awakening", which has deeply influenced IS strategy.

    "From the beginning, they've been obsessed with the Awakening," said Hassan. "They've done everything to prevent it happening again: built sleeper cells, bought loyalty, divided communities. "They've succeeded in making internal resistance practically impossible. No tribe will fight them, because they will find themselves fighting their own brothers and cousins."

    Although the Baathists were originally a secular movement, Saddam introduced a "Faith campaign" in the 1990s that sought to Islamise society. "Very few people have focused on the impact of that campaign," said Hassan. "It radicalised many Baathists and they combined the violence of the regime with that of jihadism, making them even worse than Al-Qaeda." "But they have combined religion, geopolitics, economics and much more in their ideology.....snip~

    Here don't let The General trick you with any wording okay?


    The former vice chief of staff of the Army warned the Senate Armed Services Committee today that al-Qaeda has “grown fourfold in the last five years.” “AQ and its affiliates exceeds Iran in beginning to dominate multiple countries,” retired four-star Gen. Jack Keane testified.

    Using a term that the Obama administration now eschews, Keane called radical Islam “the major security challenge of our generation…”The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, ISIS, is an outgrowth from Al-Qaeda in Iraq, which was defeated in Iraq by 2009.” “After U.S. troops pulled out of Iraq in 2011, ISIS reemerged as a terrorist organization in Iraq, moved into Syria in 2012, and began seizing towns and villages from the Syria-Iraq border all the way to the western Syria from Aleppo to Damascus,” he reminded the committee.

    That leads to an “unmistakable” conclusion that “our policies have failed,” Keane added.....snip~

    Four-Star General Tells Congress: Al-Qaeda Has “Grown Four-Fold in Last Five Years” | The Gateway Pundit

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Looks like it could be more than 7 F&L.





    Also they picked up groups in the Sinai and expanded inside Libya. Which I bumped those up in the War on Terror Forum today.
    Gee, I remember a time when I might be vaporized by an H-Bomb.


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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Didn't forget that. Hell, pretty sure I've mentioned that in this thread (may've been the other on the similar topic). I've spoken negatively about that statement when it was first made as well. That's an entirely different notion however than suggesting he "can't say their name". But nice job bringing up an entirely different point and attempting to beat up that strawman.

    And I'll go with apparently my intereactions with the military and intel communities is simply different than yours. While there are definitely cross overs at points between Al-Qaeda and ISIS, and the ideology behind both are largely the same, by and large to my understanding they are two seperate entities that share some similar goals. Suggesting ISIS IS literally Al-Qaeda to my understanding would be akin to suggesting the Tea Party Movement or the NRA ARE the Republican Party, as opposed to groups that share some similar views and goals and may have individuals who belong to both or may work together at times
    Who gives a ****?

    Why is the name of the enemy so much of an issue with the Obama camp? Is it because they need to get light years away from it being "gasp" Al-Qaeda that Obama killed or just another straw man distraction the president needs to keep Grubers from focusing on the reality...he's losing to terrorists while he plays head games with the name of them, what religion they are and denies they kill in the name of alah, the little tin go god declares like a south American Tyrant "you cannot make fun of the prophet Mohamed!" as though dreceeing ****ing law....while the bodies of Americans were en route home after being slaughtered in a "spontaneous demonstration".

    Add to that the killers of those Americans lived to brag about it, and are likely now beheading babies in Syria. Kind of makes you wonder just whose side he's on....

    so while Americans arm-chair quarterback this pointless game of whether its al-qaeda, ISIS, mother ****ing goose or the DNC, people are dying in grotesque ways and your president is worried about Mohamed's reputation.

    Guess what, from what I've seen, Mohamed was as dim as Obama and as corrupt.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post

    When Obama refuses to call these heinous acts terrorism and ignores them, hoping they will go away, he is aiding and abetting our enemies.

    I think the reference is to various ACTS the President seems reluctant to identify as terrorist driven. Much like the terrorist act that took place at Ft Hood in 2009, and others, the obvious seems difficult to admit by the President
    Calling ISIS a "terrorist group" and "vicious death cult" isn't good enough? So what would change if he called various acts of violence an act of terror? Who gets to decide if it's an act of terror, anyway?

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Gee, I remember a time when I might be vaporized by an H-Bomb.

    Really?


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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Gee, I remember a time when I might be vaporized by an H-Bomb.
    Was that before or after Putin invaded Crimea?
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Ive been alright Monte.....but as you can see I have been looking directly at BO and his Team. Even what his own had to say.


    The former vice chief of staff of the Army warned the Senate Armed Services Committee today that al-Qaeda has “grown fourfold in the last five years.” “AQ and its affiliates exceeds Iran in beginning to dominate multiple countries,” retired four-star Gen. Jack Keane testified.

    Using a term that the Obama administration now eschews, Keane called radical Islam “the major security challenge of our generation…”The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, ISIS, is an outgrowth from Al-Qaeda in Iraq, which was defeated in Iraq by 2009.” “After U.S. troops pulled out of Iraq in 2011, ISIS reemerged as a terrorist organization in Iraq, moved into Syria in 2012, and began seizing towns and villages from the Syria-Iraq border all the way to the western Syria from Aleppo to Damascus,” he reminded the committee.

    That leads to an “unmistakable” conclusion that “our policies have failed,” Keane added.....snip~

    Four-Star General Tells Congress: Al-Qaeda Has “Grown Four-Fold in Last Five Years” | The Gateway Pundit
    Remember now, I don't disagree in the rate of growth of terrorism. Had our intervention ended with Iraq and Afghanistan our efforts would have produced less terrorism than what we have now. The Bush power vacuums created in Iraq and Afghanistan, emboldened terrorism. But now then, add to that the subsequent administrations support of MB in Egypt, its use and support of AQ in Libya, its support of AQ, al Nusra and others in Syria, the Bush on steroids use of PD's, killing a disproportionate amount of civilians, and as such, further radicalising extremists, in places like Yemen and Pakistan, and HELL YEAH, extremists are quadrupling!!!!! Have we all had enough yet, or are we going to continue to support a US policy of intervention, interference, nation building, exploitation and the likes, that has proven to be a failure? And anybody, no, ANYBODY that thinks that the past few decades of US policy in the Middle East has been anything but destructive, isn't observing the results. From Carter to Obama, failure. If it makes MMC feel better to beat Obama over the head as the biggest contributor to terrorism in the ME, I'll not argue with you, but neither of the other four produced fruit there either. Its time for a complete transformation in the thinking of how we deal with the ME and help nurture the region forward, cause beating the region to death hasn't helped a bit.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    And I am saying that the intelligent and fair minded folks judge religions by how their advocates are now and not by how they once were.
    Ah, intelligent and fair minded huh????? Feel good do ya now? I happen to be speaking both historically and presently. Btw, is everybody you disagree with short on fair mindedness and intelligence, just curious. Or just the ones that disagree with you on religion, or just me?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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