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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    "Isil, a brutal, vicious death cult" Which part do you object to?
    ISIL.....since they are AQ and BO doesn't want to many to know they are not on the run and that they have grown in strength fourfold. As told by BO's former US Army Chief of Staff.

    Hows your lil trick question looking now?

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    "Isil, a brutal, vicious death cult" Which part do you object to?
    Don't misunderstand me Manc, your point is well taken. I would however reject that characterisation though. The Islamic state is as political/economic as the state of Israel, Syria the US or Britain, and when it's deemed necessary, none of them have refrained from killing (often times in quite brutal ways, burning alive by napalm bombs or incinerated by nuclear bombs) to advance those political and economic objectives.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Perhaps I sat in your class, lol. Fair enough, I once would have leaned toward the opinion that Buddhism is a religion of peace, and then I saw the carnage unfolding in the East of late. Truthfully, when religion is good, its great, and when its bad, its gawd damn awful! And it boggles my mind the horable things that humans are prepared to commit upon their faith that it pleases their god. And justify it in the end. I've been hearing people advocating that the two prisoners that Jordan executed recently, should have been burnt alive publicly, by folk who simultaneously confess their Christian faith. Imagine no religion, its easy if you try.
    Sorry. All the countries that tried 'no religion' were the most horrific of all and imprisoned and tortured and starved and oppressed and slaughtered millions. You can't make a good argument with me that 'no religion' is better than 'bad religion' or 'any religion', nor can you point to any modern day country in which that is working.

    But to judge ANY religion by its history is both ignorant and unscholarly. All religions have had a checkered past and have included individuals who did evil under the banner of their religious beliefs. And many have evolved to be very different from what they once were.

    Do you really think the world would be better off without the countless soup kitchens, homeless shelters, thrift shops, advocacy and self-help groups, leper colonies, hospitals, universities, relief, education, and hands on help groups serving the most desperate and poor of the world's people, all founded, mostly funded, and mostly staffed by those evil Christians serving mostly the unchurched and non Christians?

    The critical thinker and fair minded person judges a religion by its behavior, attitudes, and contributions here and now. I defy anybody to find a faith group with a track record comparable to Christianity in serving some of the world's most desperate people.

    And here and now is how Islam must be judged.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    ISIL.....since they are AQ and BO doesn't want to many to know they are not on the run and that they have grown in strength fourfold. As told by BO's former US Army Chief of Staff.

    Hows your lil trick question looking now?
    Hi MMC, again decades of US foreign policy have emboldened terrorism and Islamic extremism in the Middle East, including a US history of shall we say, looking the other way as Saudi Arabia has supported and financed (including the 9/11 attacks here at home) terrorists and terrorism. This blame it all on Obama is still a colossal fail. When will Americans demand a new foreign policy and dispense with the petty, get us nowhere, partisan finger pointing. Jesus Christ, we all own American foreign policy, can we just please turn a new page? There, I'm done MMC. how ya been buddy?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Sorry. All the countries that tried 'no religion' were the most horrific of all and imprisoned and tortured and starved and oppressed and slaughtered millions. You can't make a good argument with me that 'no religion' is better than 'bad religion' or 'any religion', nor can you point to any modern day country in which that is working.

    But to judge ANY religion by its history is both ignorant and unscholarly. All religions have had a checkered past and have included individuals who did evil under the banner of their religious beliefs. And many have evolved to be very different from what they once were.

    Do you really think the world would be better off without the countless soup kitchens, homeless shelters, thrift shops, advocacy and self-help groups, leper colonies, hospitals, universities, relief, education, and hands on help groups serving the most desperate and poor of the world's people, all founded, mostly funded, and mostly staffed by those evil Christians serving mostly the unchurched and non Christians?

    The critical thinker and fair minded person judges a religion by its behavior, attitudes, and contributions here and now. I defy anybody to find a faith group with a track record comparable to Christianity in serving some of the world's most desperate people.

    And here and now is how Islam must be judged.
    I don't believe I was critical of soup kitchens, was I? I think I summed it up nicely when I said that when religion is good (soup kitchens, homeless shelters and thrift shops) that they're great. And that when they're bad (the crusades, Muslims oppressing Jews and Christians and vise versa) they're gawd damn awful.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Slyfox696.

    I have many direct quotes from Obama that seem to contradict what you have posted, and I can cite them if you wish.
    Yes, please do. I would like to see your sources where Obama said we should blame all Christians for the actions of a few.
    Quote Originally Posted by KLATTU View Post
    I agree he was in no way excusing actions of ISIS. An I get that he is trying to create a wedge between ISis and more mainstream Islam.
    But the sad a fact of the matter is that the religion of Islam is a big part of the problem. It's naive to think otherwise.
    Not really. In fact, you can easily Google and see a large number of Muslims (individuals and people) who will tell you the actions of ISIS are not in line with the teachings of Islam.

    The problem isn't really one of religion. Religion is merely the tool, not the reason. There's a big difference.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That is not true. Obama has not provided any cover for ISIS whatsoever.
    WHAT ??

    His decision to pull every last remnant of American military personel out of Iraq for purely Political reasons didn't give them cover ?

    He gave them much more than " cover " . He gave them a opportunity.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

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    That one demands repeating...


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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Hi MMC, again decades of US foreign policy have emboldened terrorism and Islamic extremism in the Middle East, including a US history of shall we say, looking the other way as Saudi Arabia has supported and financed (including the 9/11 attacks here at home) terrorists and terrorism. This blame it all on Obama is still a colossal fail. When will Americans demand a new foreign policy and dispense with the petty, get us nowhere, partisan finger pointing. Jesus Christ, we all own American foreign policy, can we just please turn a new page? There, I'm done MMC. how ya been buddy?
    Ive been alright Monte.....but as you can see I have been looking directly at BO and his Team. Even what his own had to say.


    The former vice chief of staff of the Army warned the Senate Armed Services Committee today that al-Qaeda has “grown fourfold in the last five years.” “AQ and its affiliates exceeds Iran in beginning to dominate multiple countries,” retired four-star Gen. Jack Keane testified.

    Using a term that the Obama administration now eschews, Keane called radical Islam “the major security challenge of our generation…”The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, ISIS, is an outgrowth from Al-Qaeda in Iraq, which was defeated in Iraq by 2009.” “After U.S. troops pulled out of Iraq in 2011, ISIS reemerged as a terrorist organization in Iraq, moved into Syria in 2012, and began seizing towns and villages from the Syria-Iraq border all the way to the western Syria from Aleppo to Damascus,” he reminded the committee.

    That leads to an “unmistakable” conclusion that “our policies have failed,” Keane added.....snip~

    Four-Star General Tells Congress: Al-Qaeda Has “Grown Four-Fold in Last Five Years” | The Gateway Pundit

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't believe I was critical of soup kitchens, was I? I think I summed it up nicely when I said that when religion is good (soup kitchens, homeless shelters and thrift shops) that they're great. And that when they're bad (the crusades, Muslims oppressing Jews and Christians and vise versa) they're gawd damn awful.
    And I am saying that the intelligent and fair minded folks judge religions by how their advocates are now and not by how they once were.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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