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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    It takes a special breed of devotion to the America-resenting liar who is disgracing the White House to see his comments as anything but apologism for Muslim jihadists.
    Really?

    And so, as people of faith, we are summoned to push back against those who try to distort our religion -- any religion -- for their own nihilistic ends. And here at home and around the world, we will constantly reaffirm that fundamental freedom -- freedom of religion -- the right to practice our faith how we choose, to change our faith if we choose, to practice no faith at all if we choose, and to do so free of persecution and fear and discrimination.

    There’s wisdom in our founders writing in those documents that help found this nation the notion of freedom of religion, because they understood the need for humility.

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    The United States is one of the most religious countries in the world -- far more religious than most Western developed countries. And one of the reasons is that our founders wisely embraced the separation of church and state. Our government does not sponsor a religion, nor does it pressure anyone to practice a particular faith, or any faith at all. And the result is a culture where people of all backgrounds and beliefs can freely and proudly worship, without fear, or coercion -- so that when you listen to Darrell talk about his faith journey you know it's real. You know he’s not saying it because it helps him advance, or because somebody told him to. It's from the heart.

    That’s not the case in theocracies that restrict people’s choice of faith. It's not the case in authoritarian governments that elevate an individual leader or a political party above the people, or in some cases, above the concept of God Himself. So the freedom of religion is a value we will continue to protect here at home and stand up for around the world, and is one that we guard vigilantly here in the United States.
    Did you even listen to the speech or read the transcript?
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    What have I justified? I pointed out your complaining about the US and the US alone seems rather prejudicial at best.
    On the contrary. There's plenty of problems, EVERYWHERE. But here's the deal, I'm an American living in Oklahoma/Arkansas, I vote here, I pay taxes here, and as such, I'm concerned with what America does. US foreign policy is a reflection on me, not on a Chinese citizen living along the banks of the Yangtze River, see. Just like China's foreign policy reflects upon him, good or bad, and not upon me.

    I would like to see my country advance policies abroad that lift people up, inspire and encourage them, and advance the peace. Anybody can resort to fighting as a tool of conflict resolution. But it's the poorest tool, and almost always avoidable, and as children coming up, we were all taught that in fact it's an unacceptable tool!!!! The problem is that there are always a few who have a lot to gain by it on both sides of any conflict and Americans aren't immune to that. This is why I prefer people who think like Ron Paul as a single example, with regards to FP at least.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Confessing that I have not read the entire thread before posting, apologies if somebody else has posted this. But the Rev. Franklin Graham posted this on Facebook after the President's offensive remarks at the Prayer Breakfast:

    “Today at the National Prayer Breakfast, the president implied that what ISIS is doing is equivalent to what happened over 1,000 years ago during the Crusades and the Inquisition, Rev. Graham wrote. “Mr. President — Many people in history have used the name of Jesus Christ to accomplish evil things for their own desires. But Jesus taught peace, love and forgiveness. He came to give His life for the sins of mankind, not to take life.”

    “Muhammad on the contrary was a warrior and killed many innocent people. True followers of Christ emulate Christ — true followers of Muhammad emulate Muhammad.”

    Even so, nobody would have thought anything about it--he might have gotten a standing "O" in fact--if Obama had said that those who commit such atrocities in the name of Allah dishonor peaceful Muslims everywhere and should merit their contempt and condemnation just as those who committed atrocities under the banner of Christianity deserve the contempt and condemnation of true followers of Christ's teachings.

    The problem he has is that Jesus of Nazareth did teach peace, forgiveness, tolerance, common sense, and love. And he led or sent nobody into battle to kill, maim, or destroy. Nobody can say that of Mohammed, the Qu'ran or the Hadith.
    And the two do have there similarities. But that's as good as comparisons get. And only amongst partisans on the right was Obama excusing anything by pointing to it. But then that's the way the partisan rolls.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Then why can't he say their name? One must be able to defines one enemy.
    Again, either you (folks) weren't listening, failed to read the speech transcript or didn't hear the speech at all and are just responding based on what you heard from the talking heads on conservative talk radio (Sean Hannity in particular; that's all his show was about yesterday).

    From the speech, paragraph 11:

    But we also see faith being twisted and distorted, used as a wedge -- or, worse, sometimes used as a weapon. From a school in Pakistan to the streets of Paris, we have seen violence and terror perpetrated by those who profess to stand up for faith, their faith, professed to stand up for Islam, but, in fact, are betraying it. We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism -- terrorizing religious minorities like the Yezidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And the two do have there similarities. But that's as good as comparisons get. And only amongst partisans on the right was Obama excusing anything by pointing to it. But then that's the way the partisan rolls.
    The 'similarities' are as few between Christianity and Islam as between Christianity and pretty much any other major religion. I listened to the speech though and base my opinions on what he said. Did you?
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The 'similarities' are as few between Christianity and Islam as between Christianity and pretty much any other major religion. I listened to the speech though and base my opinions on what he said. Did you?
    Indubitably, and on that point I pretty much agree with him. Actually, I have studied 'comparative religions', and there's precious little differences between them in the end. In fact religion, while not always, is basically a scourge upon humanity, and the world would be far closer to utopian without it.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Indubitably, and on that point I pretty much agree with him. Actually, I have studied 'comparative religions', and there's precious little differences between them in the end. In fact religion, while not always, is basically a scourge upon humanity, and the world would be far closer to utopian without it.
    Well we'll just have to agree to disagree. (I write curriculum for and teach comparative religions.)
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Again, either you (folks) weren't listening, failed to read the speech transcript or didn't hear the speech at all and are just responding based on what you heard from the talking heads on conservative talk radio (Sean Hannity in particular; that's all his show was about yesterday).

    From the speech, paragraph 11:


    Yeah, and the other day he called them an Organization. Before that he called them the JV Team. He still says they are not Islamic.....despite them having Islamic Clerics to promote their version of Islam.

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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Well we'll just have to agree to disagree. (I write curriculum for and teach comparative religions.)
    Perhaps I sat in your class, lol. Fair enough, I once would have leaned toward the opinion that Buddhism is a religion of peace, and then I saw the carnage unfolding in the East of late. Truthfully, when religion is good, its great, and when its bad, its gawd damn awful! And it boggles my mind the horable things that humans are prepared to commit upon their faith that it pleases their god. And justify it in the end. I've been hearing people advocating that the two prisoners that Jordan executed recently, should have been burnt alive publicly, by folk who simultaneously confess their Christian faith. Imagine no religion, its easy if you try.
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    Re: Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, and the other day he called them an Organization. Before that he called them the JV Team. He still says they are not Islamic.....despite them having Islamic Clerics to promote their version of Islam.
    "Isil, a brutal, vicious death cult" Which part do you object to?
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