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Jordan Unleashes Wrath on ISIS

US Conservative said:
Because Islamic terrorism has flourished during his administration. To admit theres a problem is to admit he's failed.
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And some of the reasons for that have been supported by YOU!!!!!
 
apdst said:
And you're going to defend The One to the hilt. Very par for the course.
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I don't agree with everything our president does and says and have posted that here. You on the other hand can find nothing he says or does right and post that ad nauseam. To make it worse you even blast him for things he hasn't said as in you contention in this thread. Carry on and continue to bore me.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
I don't agree with everything our president does and says and have posted that here. You on the other hand can find nothing he says or does right and post that ad nauseam. To make it worse you even blast him for things he hasn't said as in you contention in this thread. Carry on and continue to bore me.
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I've pointed out my agreement with his sayings and doing several times, but of course, you wouldn't notice. Its easier to play the hate card.
 
Dittohead not! said:
If only we could change history, go back, and not invade Iraq. We didn't learn from history in Vietnam, so we've repeated it.

Maybe the lesson was learned this time, but I doubt it.
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Hm. What lesson would that be?
 
cpwill said:
Hm. What lesson would that be?
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That you don't go to war if there is any viable alternative, you don't go on false intelligence, and, when you do go to war, you go in all the way with a clear objective that everyone understands. You get a declaration of war, rather than side stepping the Constitution, and then go in to destroy the enemy.

That's the lesson we should have learned in Vietnam, where we did none of the above.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Oh yes it is....

You have more facts, but are highly biased. i put you clearly in the Gruber camp, complete with cool aid and the plan you kept.

The the first sign of an Obamahead is when they "explain" what the president really meant, as if the greatest communicator since regan needs explaining.

Frankly, I think he's losing it...Christian atrocities indeed, I am sure the American fighting man will keep that in mind when hunting down and killing these non Muslim non terrorists.....

Again, if this prick was around in 1939 he'd be talking about the Romans instead of Nazis
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Is this what people drink now that Obama is President because he is so cool?
 
Fearandloathing said:
These days their gulping downers to kill the pain of this slithering misfits growing list of treasonous acts.......

He's taken sides with the enemy
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He will be gone soon and hopefully the adults will regain control of the White House.
 
apdst said:
I've pointed out my agreement with his sayings and doing several times, but of course, you wouldn't notice. Its easier to play the hate card.
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Yes it is. Speak for yourself.
 
Mason66 said:
He will be gone soon and hopefully the adults will regain control of the White House.
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Which adults would they be?

From where I sit, anyone is either going to be hand cuffed by their own internal struggles or by another ornery congress still avenging over Reagan/Bush
 
Mason66 said:
Is this what people drink now that Obama is President because he is so cool?
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President Pinocchio is not cool to me. He's a damned lying horse's ass. He is soft on this country's enemies because at heart, he doesn't have much more time for the United States than they do.
 
Mason66 said:
You can't blame the country for officially saying the king won't fly.

It is better if the enemy doesn't know who is lying the planes.
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Eh... because the enemy cares about who is flying the planes and wouldn't shoot regardless? :lol:
 
Fearandloathing said:
These days their gulping downers to kill the pain of this slithering misfits growing list of treasonous acts.......

He's taken sides with the enemy
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Wow, I thought that that was illegal, and that such behavior was subject to penalty. I wonder why the Republican Party isn't doing something about that. Probably for the same reasons the democrats failed to hold Bush accountable when he was the belligerent.
 
matchlight said:
President Pinocchio is not cool to me. He's a damned lying horse's ass. He is soft on this country's enemies because at heart, he doesn't have much more time for the United States than they do.
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I was being sarcastic.
 
Hatuey said:
Eh... because the enemy cares about who is flying the planes and wouldn't shoot regardless? :lol:
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It would be an acomplishment for them to capture a downed King, don't you think?
 
Dittohead not! said:
That you don't go to war if there is any viable alternative
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Hm. It sort of seems that every war we have gone to, with the exception of perhaps a couple of the Indian campaigns, have included viable alternatives.

you don't go on false intelligence
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Oh. Well. From now on then I'm sure we'll make sure we check all of our intelligence with the magic 8-ball to make sure that it is, in fact, correct before we go to war based on it. And we'll have the President hit the "Generate Only True Intelligence Assessments" button on his desk, just to triple-check.

and, when you do go to war, you go in all the way with a clear objective that everyone understands
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You mean, like, "overthrow X regime and replace it with a government more to our liking"?

You get a declaration of war, rather than side stepping the Constitution, and then go in to destroy the enemy.
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:shrug: Going into a conflict with Congressional authorization other than a DoW has a precedent reaching back to the Founding Fathers. We have the AUMF, which fully authorizes the President to engage in conflict beyond his 90 day window.
 
Dittohead not! said:
If only we could change history, go back, and not invade Iraq. We didn't learn from history in Vietnam, so we've repeated it.

Maybe the lesson was learned this time, but I doubt it.
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Last I checked there are no time machines. The left wanted this to be another vietnam. It was a self fulfilling prophecy-what they didn't count on was having to go back in.
 
US Conservative said:
Last I checked there are no time machines. The left wanted this to be another vietnam. It was a self fulfilling prophecy-what they didn't count on was having to go back in.
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Not sure how you define "the left", but Iraq becoming another Vietnam was totally predictable from the start.
 
cpwill said:
Hm. It sort of seems that every war we have gone to, with the exception of perhaps a couple of the Indian campaigns, have included viable alternatives.
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WWII had no viable alternative. Wars since then have been optional.

cpwill said:
Oh. Well. From now on then I'm sure we'll make sure we check all of our intelligence with the magic 8-ball to make sure that it is, in fact, correct before we go to war based on it. And we'll have the President hit the "Generate Only True Intelligence Assessments" button on his desk, just to triple-check.
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Sarcasm noted, but yes, let's check the intelligence before we go off on another Gulf of Tonkien incident war. You don't (shouldn't anyway) go to war lightly.

cpwill said:
You mean, like, "overthrow X regime and replace it with a government more to our liking"?
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If that's the objective, then let's be up front about it.
And when the objective has been met, let's go home.

Just what was the objective in Iraq, anyway?


cpwill said:
:shrug: Going into a conflict with Congressional authorization other than a DoW has a precedent reaching back to the Founding Fathers. We have the AUMF, which fully authorizes the President to engage in conflict beyond his 90 day window.
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Then, why is it that the "police action" in Vietnam was never called a "war"? The war in Iraq was at least called that, but there was no commitment on the part of the people of the United States to attack Iraq.
 
Dittohead not! said:
If only we could change history, go back, and not invade Iraq. We didn't learn from history in Vietnam, so we've repeated it.

Maybe the lesson was learned this time, but I doubt it.
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Bush was warned that this would happen but "decided" to take the advice of Cheney and the other neocons who told him "We would be greeted as liberators".
Neocons are on the rise again in the GOP. I would NOT be surprised if Jeb is talking to Rove and the others as we speak. Thank goodness Hillary will beat him. This nation can't take another Bush as President, we are just getting our stride back from the last one.

Still pretending he’s undecided about running for president, Jeb recently outlined his “Doctrine” on foreign policy, a self-delusional repackaging of the failures of the Project for the New American Century and the Bush-Cheney Doctrine. Wannabe president Jeb will fight our foes anywhere he finds them – and promises actively to go looking. (Soon enough, he’ll be saying, “If you’re not with us, you’re against us.”) Predictably, before his applauding Cuban-American crowd in Coral Gables, Florida, Jeb proposed strengthening the 50-year failed embargo against Cuba. Of course, he’s for increased military spending, because it helps expand free trade and protects corporate interests, which is why we police the world in the first place. That ain’t doctrine. It’s just jive, designed to keep Dick Cheney’s heart transplant pumping.

Jeb appears to have taken the foreign affairs equivalent of Cialis to overcome an electoral dysfunction that could keep him out of the White House. When he announces and critics yell, “Iraq,” he’s decided that his best defense is to claim success in Bush Dynasty tradition and blame President Barack Obama for the mess George W. left him.
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http://contextflorida.com/stephen-goldstein-president-jeb-planning-neocon-wars/
 
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Mason66 said:
It would be an acomplishment for them to capture a downed King, don't you think?
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Oh sure, however keeping that king's role in the bombing secret wouldn't do much if he's downed anyways. It's not as if people wouldn't notice that the damn king went missing.
 
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