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    Re: Jordan Unleashes Wrath on ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    President Pinocchio is not cool to me. He's a damned lying horse's ass. He is soft on this country's enemies because at heart, he doesn't have much more time for the United States than they do.
    I was being sarcastic.

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    Re: Jordan Unleashes Wrath on ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Eh... because the enemy cares about who is flying the planes and wouldn't shoot regardless?
    It would be an acomplishment for them to capture a downed King, don't you think?

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    Re: Jordan Unleashes Wrath on ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I was being sarcastic.
    Understood.

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    Re: Jordan Unleashes Wrath on ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That you don't go to war if there is any viable alternative
    Hm. It sort of seems that every war we have gone to, with the exception of perhaps a couple of the Indian campaigns, have included viable alternatives.

    you don't go on false intelligence
    Oh. Well. From now on then I'm sure we'll make sure we check all of our intelligence with the magic 8-ball to make sure that it is, in fact, correct before we go to war based on it. And we'll have the President hit the "Generate Only True Intelligence Assessments" button on his desk, just to triple-check.

    and, when you do go to war, you go in all the way with a clear objective that everyone understands
    You mean, like, "overthrow X regime and replace it with a government more to our liking"?

    You get a declaration of war, rather than side stepping the Constitution, and then go in to destroy the enemy.
    Going into a conflict with Congressional authorization other than a DoW has a precedent reaching back to the Founding Fathers. We have the AUMF, which fully authorizes the President to engage in conflict beyond his 90 day window.

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    Re: Jordan Unleashes Wrath on ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If only we could change history, go back, and not invade Iraq. We didn't learn from history in Vietnam, so we've repeated it.

    Maybe the lesson was learned this time, but I doubt it.
    Last I checked there are no time machines. The left wanted this to be another vietnam. It was a self fulfilling prophecy-what they didn't count on was having to go back in.

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    Re: Jordan Unleashes Wrath on ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    These days their gulping downers to kill the pain of this slithering misfits growing list of treasonous acts.......

    He's taken sides with the enemy
    I think all but the true believers know this by now. Their ideology compels them to follow Obama off the cliff.

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    Re: Jordan Unleashes Wrath on ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Last I checked there are no time machines. The left wanted this to be another vietnam. It was a self fulfilling prophecy-what they didn't count on was having to go back in.
    Not sure how you define "the left", but Iraq becoming another Vietnam was totally predictable from the start.
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    Re: Jordan Unleashes Wrath on ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Hm. It sort of seems that every war we have gone to, with the exception of perhaps a couple of the Indian campaigns, have included viable alternatives.
    WWII had no viable alternative. Wars since then have been optional.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Oh. Well. From now on then I'm sure we'll make sure we check all of our intelligence with the magic 8-ball to make sure that it is, in fact, correct before we go to war based on it. And we'll have the President hit the "Generate Only True Intelligence Assessments" button on his desk, just to triple-check.
    Sarcasm noted, but yes, let's check the intelligence before we go off on another Gulf of Tonkien incident war. You don't (shouldn't anyway) go to war lightly.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You mean, like, "overthrow X regime and replace it with a government more to our liking"?
    If that's the objective, then let's be up front about it.
    And when the objective has been met, let's go home.

    Just what was the objective in Iraq, anyway?


    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Going into a conflict with Congressional authorization other than a DoW has a precedent reaching back to the Founding Fathers. We have the AUMF, which fully authorizes the President to engage in conflict beyond his 90 day window.
    Then, why is it that the "police action" in Vietnam was never called a "war"? The war in Iraq was at least called that, but there was no commitment on the part of the people of the United States to attack Iraq.
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    Re: Jordan Unleashes Wrath on ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If only we could change history, go back, and not invade Iraq. We didn't learn from history in Vietnam, so we've repeated it.

    Maybe the lesson was learned this time, but I doubt it.
    Bush was warned that this would happen but "decided" to take the advice of Cheney and the other neocons who told him "We would be greeted as liberators".
    Neocons are on the rise again in the GOP. I would NOT be surprised if Jeb is talking to Rove and the others as we speak. Thank goodness Hillary will beat him. This nation can't take another Bush as President, we are just getting our stride back from the last one.

    Still pretending he’s undecided about running for president, Jeb recently outlined his “Doctrine” on foreign policy, a self-delusional repackaging of the failures of the Project for the New American Century and the Bush-Cheney Doctrine. Wannabe president Jeb will fight our foes anywhere he finds them – and promises actively to go looking. (Soon enough, he’ll be saying, “If you’re not with us, you’re against us.”) Predictably, before his applauding Cuban-American crowd in Coral Gables, Florida, Jeb proposed strengthening the 50-year failed embargo against Cuba. Of course, he’s for increased military spending, because it helps expand free trade and protects corporate interests, which is why we police the world in the first place. That ain’t doctrine. It’s just jive, designed to keep Dick Cheney’s heart transplant pumping.

    Jeb appears to have taken the foreign affairs equivalent of Cialis to overcome an electoral dysfunction that could keep him out of the White House. When he announces and critics yell, “Iraq,” he’s decided that his best defense is to claim success in Bush Dynasty tradition and blame President Barack Obama for the mess George W. left him.
    http://contextflorida.com/stephen-go...g-neocon-wars/
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    Re: Jordan Unleashes Wrath on ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    It would be an acomplishment for them to capture a downed King, don't you think?
    Oh sure, however keeping that king's role in the bombing secret wouldn't do much if he's downed anyways. It's not as if people wouldn't notice that the damn king went missing.
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