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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The isps were going to stifle it unless net neutrality was made official. That's why Comcast (among others) sued to have nn removed.
    Freedom is not for everybody. Where do all of the people who are eager to be slaves come from? You must know.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    There has been cabling that has and has not been subsidized. I would be ok with nonsubsidized segments being 100% up to the ISPs on their policy. That's just the right thing to do. But much more likely is that they wouldn't treat them differently than the other 85% or so of the subsidized cabling (by my estimates) due to PR reasons. If nontiered internet is normal and most of the market can respond to things as the market is supposed to, the ISPs lose a lot of negotiating power and the playing field is much more tilted to the regular person (which is also the right thing to do, regular people should have a lot more negotiating power than they currently do in our heavily capital driven economy, but technology is what it is right now and its the biggest reason wages are down, not politics).

    The fact is ,the ISPs may own the cabling, but they had a lot of government help in building that cabling and that help should come with strings of open access like we had in the 90s.

    The ISPs are in a position where they can roll out fiber to homes pretty easily if they pace themselves, but they need to be given a reason to do so and competition is the best driver for that. So I would rather push that competition to be as strong as possible to force those market choices that would result in the best outcomes for society. Plus it has the word market so half the country will have less an emotional reaction to it :P
    I started one of the first ISPs in Texas. I had no government help. I did have lots of obstacles.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Exactly. You beat me to the punch while I was editing my post

    I think a lot of people are confused and think net neutrality means service providers have to give all subscribers the same speed. That isn't the case--it just has to charge the same rates to various websites/subscribers. Without net neutrality, it would be like a gas station charging people who drive fuel-efficient cars twice the price per gallon to make up for the money they would have brought in if the car was a Hummer.
    Government will do that with the new taxes and fees to pay for all of the new policing that will be required. By what part of the Constitution is the government claiming this new power?

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Really? This discussion has been going on in the various threads since it was suggested and you don't know?
    I find that hard to believe.


    The FCC imposes fees of 16.1% on interstate telecommunications services that will generate more than $8 billion in federal universal service funds in 2014. Additional FCC fees on interstate telecommunications services raise $1 billion for federal telecommunications relay services. Although Congress mandates the general nature of the federal universal service fund and telecommunications relay services, it is the FCC alone that sets the budget size of the funds and develops the fee structure to raise receipts for the funds.

    Even with all of its power, the FCC does not have the money to fund all of the new programs it seeks. For example, just in the past year, the FCC announced an ambitious multi-billion program to connect schools and libraries with Wi-Fi. Other advocates seek expansion of the low-income program. But where can the FCC find funds for new social programs not required by statute?

    The FCC’s network neutrality proceeding may easily provide the answer. By classifying broadband access services as “interstate telecommunications services,” those services would suddenly become required to pay FCC fees. At the current 16.1% fee structure, it would be perhaps the largest, one-time tax increase on the Internet. The FCC would have many billions of dollars of expanded revenue base to fund new programs without, according to the FCC, any need for congressional authorization.

    FCC Plans Stealth Internet Tax Increase - Forbes



    As with much proposed by Dems, you will not find truth in it's title.
    This isn't about neutrality. It is about regulation and taxation.
    And control.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Freedom is not for everybody. Where do all of the people who are eager to be slaves come from? You must know.
    Please explain using specifics how innovation will be stifled by the FCC upholding net neutrality. No generalities, no vague buzzwords, no more evasions and non-answers...specifics. Walk us through this, or admit you have no argument.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You only lose if you let the government fascistically control yet another portion of our society. A coup has occurred. We are no longer free.
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    In a breath, I'd rather have the government exercise control the net than any for-profit corporation.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Government will do that with the new taxes and fees to pay for all of the new policing that will be required. By what part of the Constitution is the government claiming this new power?
    What new taxes and fees are you referring to?
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Please explain using specifics how innovation will be stifled by the FCC upholding net neutrality. No generalities, no vague buzzwords, no more evasions and non-answers...specifics. Walk us through this, or admit you have no argument.
    This is about as dumb a request as I have ever seen. Why don't you give me examples of innovation in the electrical utilities field where the government has a long history of regulation. The utilities do not do anything they are not told to do by the government regulators.

    Walk me through this or admit that you are an authoritarian statist.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    What new taxes and fees are you referring to?
    How do you believe this massive new federal bureaucracy will be paid for? Who knows what they will be. If you want an ideal take a walk through an itemized phone bill. You will find many small fees and taxes. They are chopped up so you will be less aware of the total government take. You will be paying for the minders, the busybodies and the Internet Police.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    In a breath, I'd rather have the government exercise control the net than any for-profit corporation.
    That is because you are an authoritarian statist.

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