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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    This is a picture of a Japanese internment camp in Tule Lake in Utah. I think we can all agree that they would empathize with your plight of being forced to endure the continued convenience of network neutrality due to unprecedented expansion of Federal power.
    Ah, you should probably try and include a point, unless I'm missing it? Are you pointing out that we should not trust the federal government, especially when liberals like FDR and Obama are in office, because if you think you can trust them, before you know it, they've gone way too far?

    They always start with a "for your own good" type of thing, and it ends up being a detriment to all, except the government.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Why do people assume net neutrality is some massive expansion... or even expansion at all? Net Neutrality can and should be enforced by the businesses and users that subscribe to the service, and any breaches in Net Neutrality can be handled via lawsuits. It's not as if some "Net Neutrality Agency" would need to be created.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Ah, you should probably try and include a point, unless I'm missing it? Are you pointing out that we should not trust the federal government, especially when liberals like FDR and Obama are in office, because if you think you can trust them, before you know it, they've gone way too far?

    They always start with a "for your own good" type of thing, and it ends up being a detriment to all, except the government.
    Only idiots think everything is one or the other. You have to judge each decision on its own merits, so as a result you're going to find that government is going to make some bad decisions and good decisions. It makes no more sense to abolish government involvement on the basis of its bad decisions than it does to give them free reign on the basis of its good ones. If that sounds silly to you, use your own life as a perspective: you've made some good and bad decisions in your own life, I'm sure. Have you removed your right to make decisions for yourself due to having made bad decisions? That's not how life or governance works.

    Mostly, though, my point was that if you want to use words like "unprecedented" in the future, pick up a history book first.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
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    No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Declaring the Internet critical for the nation, a top U.S. regulator on Wednesday proposed an unprecedented expansion of federal power to ensure providers don't block or slow web traffic for America's countless users.



    Oh, boy. Every American should be wary about that phrase, "unprecedented expansion of federal power". That usually means you just lost a little (or big) piece of liberty that was formerly protected by the Constitution.
    They already govern by proxy through the major search and email providers - admittedly pluck people's cell phones and all else. So really, this is just making legal everything they've already done.

    At the same time - they're considering letting other countries keep after domain names and proxy servers. . . so ? It's like they're making decisions that will pull things in opposite directions.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed



    Page two continues and ends with the following.

    to regulate the Internet. The rollout earlier in the week was obviously intended to downplay the plan’s
    2massive intrusion into the Internet economy. Beginning next week, I look forward to sharing with the
    public key aspects of what this plan will actually do.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post


    Page two continues and ends with the following.
    to regulate the Internet. The rollout earlier in the week was obviously intended to downplay the plan’s
    2massive intrusion into the Internet economy. Beginning next week, I look forward to sharing with the
    public key aspects of what this plan will actually do.
    A Republican telcom lobbyist thinks Obama's plan is bad? You don't say.

    He makes a lot of declaration about the future. I'm sure he's got something to support that. I guess I'll wait for those supposed "details."
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Adamaris View Post
    I don't know... Of course, we need to watch out for the government not to expand it power too much, but in this particular case...
    I've been watching this debate for some time, and as far as I understand, for once in a while our government is doing the right thing. It restricts the companies from making the user to pay not only for the Internet access, but also for access to certain sites. Just imagine you were forced to pay extra if you wanted to access Youtube, for example. Or this forum...
    Then you would switch providers Or if you felt strongly enough about it you would create one. Just because there is a government solution does not mean we should have one.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Then you would switch providers
    A substantial portion of the population has access to only one broadband cable provider and/or one DSL provider. This industry is not exactly a bastion of capitalistic competition.

    Or if you felt strongly enough about it you would create one.
    Hahahahahahah sure let me just check my wallet for a few billion dollars.

    Just because there is a government solution does not mean we should have one.
    Just because the government does something doesn't mean it's bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    A Republican telcom lobbyist thinks Obama's plan is bad? You don't say.

    He makes a lot of declaration about the future. I'm sure he's got something to support that. I guess I'll wait for those supposed "details."

    1. There has been no transparency.
    2. We should be able to see it long before it is put into effect.
    3. Ajit Pai is a FCC Commissioner who knows what it contains. What he says will happen is only basic knowledge (as in common sense) of what will occur. Which has already been stated by other posters here.

    Do you really think what he says wont happen?
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    1. There has been no transparency.
    No, Pai did not provide details.

    2. We should be able to see it long before it is put into effect.
    When is it being put into effect?

    3. Ajit Pai is a FCC Commissioner who knows what it contains. What he says will happen is only basic knowledge (as in common sense) of what will occur. Which has already been stated by other posters here.
    He's speculating about impacts of non-specific actions that I don't have any reason to expect will occur.
    He is an FCC commissioner now. His last job, on the other hand, was...

    Do you really think what he says wont happen?
    Taxes? Stifling?
    Is there a regulation in Title II that says taxes must be levied on any service classified under the rule?

    Why would net neutrality suddenly start stifling innovation? It never has before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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