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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    While I can see this rationale, it doesn't mean that I support the idea of the government ****ing around with the Internet, which, in my view, is working more than it is not.
    Net neutrality has been the de facto way of the Internet since its inception, and now cartelized cable companies are trying to change that by blocking competition. The government would not be ****ing around with the Internet. It would be keeping the Internet the same by prohibiting service providers from ****ing around with it.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Exactly. You beat me to the punch while I was editing my post

    I think a lot of people are confused and think net neutrality means service providers have to give all subscribers the same speed. That isn't the case--it just has to charge the same rates to various websites/subscribers. Without net neutrality, it would be like a gas station charging people who drive fuel-efficient cars twice the price per gallon to make up for the money they would have brought in if the car was a Hummer.
    I see it more as a gas company having a monopoly over a certain geographic area, and then being given the power to charge people if they don't also buy food there as well as a say in how local fast food restaurants set up shop. These companies are being given the power to choke out smaller start ups if they don't play ball and pay ransoms. Though Netflix is way past the point of "startup", there are much smaller companies who are at risk.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Declaring the Internet critical for the nation, a top U.S. regulator on Wednesday proposed an unprecedented expansion of federal power to ensure providers don't block or slow web traffic for America's countless users.



    Oh, boy. Every American should be wary about that phrase, "unprecedented expansion of federal power". That usually means you just lost a little (or big) piece of liberty that was formerly protected by the Constitution.
    1. Allowing internet users to all parts of the internet, instead of providers and search engines sending favorites to users first (based on fees), IS the way the internet was constructed, to begin with.

    2. It is the providers who came up with a scheme to bilk more money out of the system by demanding payments from providers, if they want users to have easy and priority access to their sites. Similar to what mafia godfathers used to do...demand "protection" money.

    3. Users deserve and have a right to equal access to all sites, without preference to the big sites that can afford the protection payments demanded by providers.

    4. Anyone who cares about small businesses will support equal access of users to all sites. If the bilking system is allowed, then that will make it hard, if not impossible, for small businesses to build a presence on the internet, and stay in business, since they can't pay the required fees that the big guys can.

    It's the American way. Equal access to all sites, regardless of blackmail money that the big guys can pay to have their sites prioritized.

    I do a search nowadays, and I am sick of getting 20 results that are basically the same few repeated over and over. In the old days, I would get a varied list of search results.

    Providers and search engines make plenty of money through selling ads and other sources of revenue for the internet.

    NOTE that providers LOVE the idea of the internet being a utility, but only insofar as it means they can charge users by the gigabyte (which is what a cap is). When, like a utility, it is suggested that users have equal access to that utility, providers are suddenly against it.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    With LTE type technologies coming about, if the FCC would open up a space for five or six companies to have decent bandwidth in any given geographical area, that would be amazing. Maybe we need to push digital TV and radio more to open up those bands. You could do a hell of a lot of good with stronger transmitters than you see on most towers and directional but lower power transmitters at houses. It wouldn't cost that much (as these things go, this stuff of course costs a bunch when comparing it to $0) either.

    I have a friend who is the lead engineer at a wireless internet provider in the keys, this is exactly how they do it and their speeds are really fast.
    That is my point. We can get decent wireless speeds, enough to watch video and the like, just from wireless providers. Even the local owned and operated ISP that handles the fiber provides wireless in most places locally. Then one can get internet through cable or telephone or other companies that sublease off the telephone lines. Sure you cannot upload a gig per second but nobody needs that. If my poor, little city in the boondocks has so many options, I am skeptical that people in larger more profitable markets only have 1 or 2 choices like people are always letting on when this net neutrality thing comes up. Hell we are in one of the poorest cities in the country and we have a basket to choose from.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The isps were going to stifle it unless net neutrality was made official. That's why Comcast (among others) sued to have nn removed.
    1. You have no idea what would have happened.
    2. There was no reason to make it a utility and open it up to further regulation and taxation. None.





    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    its already been stifled by lack of competition in the local markets. See how disruptive google fiber is? That sort of better service is normal in other countries that have more sane regulations and laws. Those countries tend to have more room for competition where we largely don't. this is how the ISPs shot themselves in the foot. They are killing their golden goose.
    Spare us the bs. You not liking your options does not mean you don't have any.
    Nor is this about other countries. You want what they have, move there.

    Making it a utility is the wrong way to go.





    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    The internet IS a utility.
    Oy vey! Not one that needed to be declared as such so the Gov can regulate it.





    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You'll be paying extra to speed up the Internet for the poorer who can't afford the higher speed.
    I am aware of that.
    And fast lanes will continue to exist.

    The only thing that seems possible now is law suits and/or for a Different administration to reverse any changes made.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    No. Net neutrality does not prohibit service providers from charging people more for faster Internet, nor does it require service providers to give the same level of speed to all customers. That aspect would remain totally unchanged.

    Net neutrality prohibits companies from charging people extra to have access to particular websites. Without net-neutrality, Comcast could make it impossible to watch Hulu or Netflix (competitors to its TV service) by severely lowering their speeds, running them out of business. Under net neutrality, companies can still offer users different speeds (as they do now), but can't slow down speeds of particular websites (which, by the way, is the de facto way things have been since the Internet began, it just hasn't been formally required).
    Like I said fast lanes will still exist.
    Just as preferential treatment will also exist, as it has to.

    But there was no reason to make it a Utility opening it to such regulation and taxation as one.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I see it more as a gas company having a monopoly over a certain geographic area, and then being given the power to charge people if they don't also buy food there as well as a say in how local fast food restaurants set up shop. These companies are being given the power to choke out smaller start ups if they don't play ball and pay ransoms. Though Netflix is way past the point of "startup", there are much smaller companies who are at risk.
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    This is why the FCC wants to go back to Title II. While there is more work to be done, treating the net as a public utility and keeping the carnivorous telecommunications corporations away, will encourage online competition that might otherwise be stifled by the current monopoly.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Like I said fast lanes will still exist.
    Just as preferential treatment will also exist, as it has to.

    But there was no reason to make it a Utility opening it to such regulation and taxation as one.
    I don't really and fully understand why this is such an issue. Utilities will often have price and supply differentiation. So why the excitement here?

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I don't really and fully understand why this is such an issue. Utilities will often have price and supply differentiation. So why the excitement here?

    There was no reason to make it a Utility opening it to such regulation and taxation as one.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Declaring the Internet critical for the nation, a top U.S. regulator on Wednesday proposed an unprecedented expansion of federal power to ensure providers don't block or slow web traffic for America's countless users.



    Oh, boy. Every American should be wary about that phrase, "unprecedented expansion of federal power". That usually means you just lost a little (or big) piece of liberty that was formerly protected by the Constitution.
    I think in this case it's more good than bad. The internet is pretty critical to society anymore. It needs to be protected the way a utility is.
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