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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    The laws already on the books grant Internet providers essential monopolies on service. What is being "regulated" by net neutrality is not a free market, but a corporatist nightmare government created. The best solution would be to get rid of the anti-competitive laws that prop up current service providers, but that isn't on the table. The next best solution is net neutrality. Why?

    Well why Signup for Comcast's "Xfinity Phone Service" when I can get Vonage, or any of 1000 other Voip Phone providers, at a better rate? Comcast sees this threat, and without net neutrality Comcast can legally drop packets from Vonage, or worse block them completely, eliminating Vonage as an option for consumers. In a freely competitive market, the likelihood of a company getting away with this is slim, as competitors could easily replace it. In such a market, net neutrality laws wouldn't really be needed. But in our corporatist, monopolistic nightmare, that competitive pressure does not exist. Without net-neutrality, it will only get worse.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I am convinced that people are just so locked into having a cable come through their wall, that they do not even know what choices are out there available to them. I live in PoDunkyville and I have a plethora of internet options. Comcast is my only cable option, but it is not my only potential source for internet.
    The government will soon fix that.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Major Internet providers insist they have no plans to create such fast or slow lanes, but they strongly oppose the regulation, arguing that it could stifle innovation and investment. Open Internet rules had been in place but were recently knocked down by a federal court.
    I wonder what genius team of executives came up with this. The internet was already the most innovative playground on the planet. People spend literally billions of dollars a day on financing apps, cultural projects, tech dev, etc. Yet treating all data the same way it has been for the last 20+ years means this innovation might be stifled? Silly ****ers.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    you are lucky in that you have a choice in a populated area like new jersey, much of the country doesn't have the luxury and they should not be relegated to fourth world (because many third world countries do internet better than this one) infrastructure.
    Well, it is less profitable in lower population areas, so they can charge more. If the price gets too high, competitors will come in to grab a piece of the pie. And I am not lucky, I pay taxes out the wazoo here which more than cancel out lower cable costs, if they are lower. $145 a month for TV/Phone/internet with no premium channels doesn't sound lucky to me.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    If we had real competition in the market, then consumers would have options beyond being screwed or no high speed internet. That is the current situation that exists for most users and that is an unreasonable choice.
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    I am convinced that people are just so locked into having a cable come through their wall, that they do not even know what choices are out there available to them. I live in PoDunkyville and I have a plethora of internet options. Comcast is my only cable option, but it is not my only potential source for internet.
    Unless you have access to fiber, your choice is the cable for HSI. Most DSL providers are pricing the service out (or ending it all together) to encourage a switch to fiber. Sure, you might still be able to get dial-up..or steal your neighbor's wifi..., but HSI choices are determined by how your local govt has divvied up the area for the providers.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The Gov is the enemy here.

    Fast lanes have to exist for some data.
    What we will see is exceptions being made while we are all taxed for our internet as a utility.
    Hopefully those in power change the law of what the FCC can do with the internet.
    You'll be paying extra to speed up the Internet for the poorer who can't afford the higher speed.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You'll be paying extra to speed up the Internet for the poorer who can't afford the higher speed.
    No. Net neutrality does not prohibit service providers from charging people more for faster Internet, nor does it require service providers to give the same level of speed to all customers. That aspect would remain totally unchanged.

    Net neutrality prohibits companies from charging people extra to have access to particular websites. Without net-neutrality, Comcast could make it impossible to watch Hulu or Netflix (competitors to its TV service) by severely lowering their speeds, running them out of business. Under net neutrality, companies can still offer users different speeds (as they do now), but can't slow down speeds of particular websites (which, by the way, is the de facto way things have been since the Internet began, it just hasn't been formally required).
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    No. Net neutrality is not prohibiting service providers from charging people more for faster Internet. That is currently a practice, has been a practice, and is not something being disputed by net neutrality.

    Net neutrality prohibits companies from charging people extra to have access to particular websites. Without net-neutrality, Comcast could make it impossible to watch Hulu (a competitor to its TV service), running Hulu out of business.
    You forgot that they'd then be able to replace any competition with more costly services provided by .... well... them. So in short, instead of you having your cable with Comcast, and a subscription to Netflix, Comcast could simply slow down/block Netflix and then "provide" a similar service and also pocket the money you'd want to give to Netflix. Effectively stifling competition.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Declaring the Internet critical for the nation, a top U.S. regulator on Wednesday proposed an unprecedented expansion of federal power to ensure providers don't block or slow web traffic for America's countless users.



    Oh, boy. Every American should be wary about that phrase, "unprecedented expansion of federal power". That usually means you just lost a little (or big) piece of liberty that was formerly protected by the Constitution.
    While true, an "unprecedented expansion of federal power", with all the consumer's telephone service now being VoIP, and telephone service is a title 2 public utility (yes?), with that VoIP service I guess comes title 2 then.

    While I can see this rationale, it doesn't mean that I support the idea of the government ****ing around with the Internet, which, in my view, is working more than it is not.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You forgot that they'd then be able to replace any competition with more costly services provided by .... well... them. So in short, instead of you having your cable with Comcast, and a subscription to Netflix, Comcast could simply slow down/block Netflix and then "provide" a similar service and also pocket the money you'd want to give to Netflix. Effectively stifling competition.
    Exactly. You beat me to the punch while I was editing my post

    I think a lot of people are confused and think net neutrality means service providers have to give all subscribers the same speed. That isn't the case--it just has to charge the same rates to various websites/subscribers. Without net neutrality, it would be like a gas station charging people who drive fuel-efficient cars twice the price per gallon to make up for the money they would have brought in if the car was a Hummer.
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