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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    The market is what it is, and because it is this way, it needs to be treated as a utility.
    No it doesn't.
    Gov regulation will stifle it.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No it doesn't.
    Gov regulation will stifle it.
    The isps were going to stifle it unless net neutrality was made official. That's why Comcast (among others) sued to have nn removed.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No it doesn't.
    Gov regulation will stifle it.
    its already been stifled by lack of competition in the local markets. See how disruptive google fiber is? That sort of better service is normal in other countries that have more sane regulations and laws. Those countries tend to have more room for competition where we largely don't. this is how the ISPs shot themselves in the foot. They are killing their golden goose.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The Gov is the enemy here.

    Fast lanes have to exist for some data.
    What we will see is exceptions being made while we are all taxed for our internet as a utility.
    Hopefully those in power change the law of what the FCC can do with the internet.
    The internet IS a utility.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    The internet IS a utility.
    At this point it is. I can no longer participate in regular commerce without an internet connection.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    I really despise executive agencies passing law.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    If we had real competition in the market, then consumers would have options beyond being screwed or no high speed internet. That is the current situation that exists for most users and that is an unreasonable choice.
    This is what happens when government subsidizes an industry and protects it from competition.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Que the die-hard corporatists to criticize the decision without researching how the issue actually affects them.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    If we had real competition in the market, then consumers would have options beyond being screwed or no high speed internet. That is the current situation that exists for most users and that is an unreasonable choice.
    Are you trying to assert that we now have legitimate competition for other public utilliies?
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    This is what happens when government subsidizes an industry and protects it from competition.
    The subsidies were necessary to keep our infrastructure building out fast enough to keep pace with other countries. That cat was necessary at the time and it being out of the bag is the way it is. I would be perfectly fine if we passed a different law stating that states and local governments cannot give exclusion rights to ISP cabling and any cabling that was subsidized needs to be leased out at cost +5% to competitors and services (such as cable repair and other infrastructure) has to have exactly the same SLA levels as the main ISP.

    This could cause two things
    1. new nonsubsidized cabling would be built ASAP
    2. Other companies can enter into the forey long enough to build up capital to compete.

    The real end result would be a surge in fiber optics lines at the last mile and lowered prices in about five to ten years.

    In this situation, forcing the market to be the market would be the better choice I think, but title 2 is the less ballsy solution and governments can be cowards.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 02-05-15 at 12:49 PM.

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