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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    In a breath, I'd rather have the government exercise control the net than any for-profit corporation.
    I'd rather no one control the net.

    But that's not possible, someone needs to ensure all the infrastructure functions, or no net.

    I'd prefer if we had a government agency dedicated to ensuring internet access was limited only by the hardware used.

    I am opposed to any kind of throttling on traffic outside that (apart from the limitations of the internet hardware itself).


    In my ideal world, the internet would basically be a vast open network, unlimited by anything except hardware. Any kind of security or content limits desired would only be implemented on the connected devices and networks.

    Even more ideal would be high-speed connections available in the vast majority of locations, free. But that isn't going to take place any time soon, since these large corporations are somehow an intrinsic part of the internet in the US atm. Of course they maintain the network, so that's something...
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Inefficient lightbulbs strain the powergrid further and increase energy consumption which brings more pollution. Buying slightly more efficient lightbulbs is not a major burden upon you, particularly since you save money over the life of the bulb.

    I'm not familiar with toilet regulations. What type of toilet do you want to buy but are unable to?
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The FCC imposes fees of 16.1% on interstate telecommunications services that will generate more than $8 billion in federal universal service funds in 2014. Additional FCC fees on interstate telecommunications services raise $1 billion for federal telecommunications relay services. Although Congress mandates the general nature of the federal universal service fund and telecommunications relay services, it is the FCC alone that sets the budget size of the funds and develops the fee structure to raise receipts for the funds.

    Even with all of its power, the FCC does not have the money to fund all of the new programs it seeks. For example, just in the past year, the FCC announced an ambitious multi-billion program to connect schools and libraries with Wi-Fi. Other advocates seek expansion of the low-income program. But where can the FCC find funds for new social programs not required by statute?

    The FCC’s network neutrality proceeding may easily provide the answer. By classifying broadband access services as “interstate telecommunications services,” those services would suddenly become required to pay FCC fees. At the current 16.1% fee structure, it would be perhaps the largest, one-time tax increase on the Internet. The FCC would have many billions of dollars of expanded revenue base to fund new programs without, according to the FCC, any need for congressional authorization.

    FCC Plans Stealth Internet Tax Increase - Forbes
    This opinion piece doesn't cite a specific regulation that says all such classifications require the tax in question.

    I know that the tax can be applied. Will it? Can't our Republican-controlled congress pass a bill exempting internet access from our tax? Why does everyone act like the specifics are already set in stone?
    Can be? Did the article stutter? It says "required". And you doubt it?
    No specific regulation? What the heck do you think the the Universal Service Fund and "interstate telecommunications services" that are being spoken about come from?


    The Universal Service Fund (USF) is a system of telecommunications subsidies and fees managed by the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC) intended to promote universal access to telecommunications services in the United States. The FCC established the fund in 1997 in compliance with the Telecommunications Act of 1996. The fund reported a total of $8.33 billion in disbursements in 2013,[1] divided among its four programs. The fund is supported by charging telecommunications companies a fee which is set quarterly. As of the fourth quarter of 2014, the rate is 16.1% [dated info] of a telecom company's interstate end-user revenues.[2]
    Universal Service Fund - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Which is required from all telecommunications providers.

    The 1996 act also “mandated the creation of the universal service fund (USF) into which all telecommunications providers are required to contribute a percentage of their interstate and international end-user telecommunications revenues”.[10]
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Please explain using specifics how innovation will be stifled by the FCC upholding net neutrality. No generalities, no vague buzzwords, no more evasions and non-answers...specifics. Walk us through this.

    This isn't upholding net neutrality. It's about generating revenue under the guise of Net Neutrality.

    It is subjecting a service to regulation and taxation that it was not subjected to before.

    Nor do I need to provide any specifics when I clearly said he was speaking to generalities of what is going to happen based of his own knowledge and experience.





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    to regulate the Internet. The rollout earlier in the week was obviously intended to downplay the plan’s
    2massive intrusion into the Internet economy. Beginning next week, I look forward to sharing with the
    public key aspects of what this plan will actually do.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Net neutrality is the de facto way the Internet has always been. It seems to have worked out tremendously well for us. I don't know why you are against government stopping unnatural, non-free market telecommunications monopolies from changing the way the Internet works (something they couldn't do if they competed on a free market) at the expense of competitors like Netflix and Hulu.
    Because I trust the free market more than I do govt.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I have more power over the government than I do Comcast, actually.
    I feel like weve covered this before.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post

    I am opposed to any kind of throttling on traffic outside that (apart from the limitations of the internet hardware itself).

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    Obviously you've never had to be a satellite ISP user. Removing throttling would increase my monthly bill by 10 times. No thanks. I'd rather manage the throttling.

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Because I trust the free market more than I do govt.
    Me too. Problem is that the telecommunications industry does not operate in a free market--not even close. The telecommunications industry is a government created corporatist, monopolistic nightmare. Why you would allow a government created nightmare to do whatever it wants and then criticize efforts to make it less horrible is puzzling to say the least.
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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Me too. Problem is that the telecommunications industry does not operate in a free market--not even close. The telecommunications industry is a government created corporatist, monopolistic nightmare. Why you would allow a government created nightmare to do whatever it wants and then criticize efforts to make it less horrible is puzzling to say the least.
    I dont see how the solution to a government created corporatist, monopolistic nightmare is more govt. Shouldnt it be less?

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    Re: No fast or slow lanes for Internet? New rules proposed

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I dont see how the solution to a government created corporatist, monopolistic nightmare is more govt. Shouldnt it be less?
    The best solution is getting rid of the government created nightmare and allowing a free market to exist. But that isn't on the table unfortunately, so the next best thing is to regulate it so it's government-granted privileges cannot further reduce competition.
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