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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Yup best plan in the world surrender because you think the other guy is stronger.
    I mean Putin will stop once he gets eastern Ukraine after all.
    Bullies are easy to appease, once they get wehat they want they never want any more.
    Got any other stupid ideas?
    They ain't got to surrender. I'm just saying they need to redo their calculus without relying on the U.S. to bail them out. Maybe that's what's really causing this conflict to drag on. But if it's not, let them use their own money, own weapons, and own men, not ours.

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    They ain't got to surrender. I'm just saying they need to redo their calculus without relying on the U.S. to bail them out. Maybe that's what's really causing this conflict to drag on. But if it's not, let them use their own money, own weapons, and own men, not ours.
    So far they are.
    If you think refusing to give them money/arms will somehow make the problem go away, it wont. However Russia ending its support for the rebels will end the situation there fairly quickly.
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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    So far they are.
    If you think refusing to give them money/arms will somehow make the problem go away, it wont. However Russia ending its support for the rebels will end the situation there fairly quickly.
    As would ending our support for Ukraine.

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    As would ending our support for Ukraine.
    Ukraine is fighting to survive on Ukrainian territory. Not Russian territory.


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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    for either side
    Indubitably.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Ukraine is not going to be able to do jack with Russia militarily without direct U.S. military intervention. Militarily, without direct U.S. intervention, Russia can indeed take Ukraine. THAT IS FACT. UKRAINE IS NOT AFGHANISTAN NOR VIETNAM.



    What is stupid is for the U.S. to think that arming Ukraine will cause the Russian people to remove Putin. They will simply rally around the flag. Man what a stupid idea.
    Russia is playing defense.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Putin cannot afford to occupy all of Ukraine. He can barely afford Crimea.
    True enough, nor has he expressed any such desire.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    How is invading and annexing part of another country legal?
    Well, I disagree with you're categorisation of how Russia came to be in control of Crimea.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Ukraine is not going to be able to do jack with Russia militarily without direct U.S. military intervention. Militarily, without direct U.S. intervention, Russia can indeed take Ukraine. THAT IS FACT. UKRAINE IS NOT AFGHANISTAN NOR VIETNAM.



    What is stupid is for the U.S. to think that arming Ukraine will cause the Russian people to remove Putin. They will simply rally around the flag. Man what a stupid idea.
    And even the supreme allied commander of NATO forces has cautioned Western/US supplying Ukraine with lethal weapons on the potential for Russian backlash. You seem eager for another (or at this point isn't it just perpetual) war, this one a proxy with Russia not unlike previous such conflicts. Or do I misunderstand your position on that?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    You're right. Putin doesn't care at all about the mayhem he has caused.
    Lol, Putin is responsible for those civilians killed in eastern Ukraine by the Ukrainian military.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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