If Putin posed zero threat to NATO, why would they be making such a big deal out of his ties to ultranationalist political parties attaining and currently in power in various NATO countries such as the Netherlands, Belgium, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria, Bulgaria, and others... ?There is zero chance of him actually attacking (in any way) legitimate current NATO member states (he wouldn't really be able to anyway).
Victory for Anti-EU Party Shows Cracks in U.K. Politics - WSJLooking at what you cite I would say you are really very ill-informed.
Victory for Anti-EU Party Shows Cracks in U.K. Politics--Update - NASDAQ.com
EU uneasy about Hungary’s closeness to Russia
As political centre teeters Europe is on edge of abyss - Independent.ie
Europe Liberals Criticize Bulgaria for Including Nationalists in Gov't - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency
Blackwater.ru: The Future of Russian Private Military Companies | News | The Moscow Times
Austria treads a tightrope in Europe - The Local
Belgian Jews call out official for Nazi collaborator comment | The Times of Israel
David Cameron warns Britain is in 'war' with EU after Juncker nomination | Daily Mail Online
Military Allies Caution U.S. Against Rupturing Putin’s Ties With West - Washington Wire - WSJ
Belgium is buying up tons of U.S. Treasurys - The Tell - MarketWatch
Mitchell A. Orenstein | Why Putin Is Allied With Western Europe's Far Right | Foreign Affairs
So basically what you're saying is everyone is ill-informed?
I prefer real facts.
Okay, but that's not what I'm doing, you said;
And I'm just expanding upon your scenario with other possibilities from an unbiased perspective, just what I've noticed in the news as of late.The only thing that can make this really dangerous is if irresponsable Western leaders seek to expand NATO and or the EU beyond its current maximum limits and seek to drive Russia to the wall.
As far as facts go, what we know is that Russia annexed Crimea, NATO was provoked, the EU and US began to split over sanctions, Le Pen received millions of dollars in Kremlin loans, and that various parties have been meeting in Moscow and Moscow allies.
I'll have to continue this discussion tomorrow, its about 5 AM where I'm at and I need sleep.
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Russia has indeed annexed Crimea and Sevastopol, two areas that were pretty much under its military control in any event and that are very much outside the NATO area.
The EU and the US are not split over sanctions and have actually cooperated and synchronized their efforts in this regard.
The allegation that Le Pen received money from the Kremlin is an allegation, made for part-political reasons.
The "mmetings" of political parties in Russia you are referring to are a complete myth.
Okay well, I'll concede that Putin may not be behind it, but they are there, they do exist, and they pose a threat, however insignificant it may be. (And yes, the EU and US are coming to a head over Germany's economic reliance upon Russia - stone cold fact). Germany I thought this one would be fairly obvious after the NSA scandal (spying on Angela Merkel), US support of Greek concessions over Germany's policy involved therein and that abhorrent torture report. (Don't get me wrong, I stand by the US through-and-through but our government is not particularly wise.)
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