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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Abbazorkzog View Post
    Whether you're pro or anti-Russian, the link in my signature explains why NATO may soon become irrelevant. What people don't understand is that Putin is winning, he's gone incognito, funding into power radical parties across the EU. A united European front against Putin is impossible, and the Minsk conference on Wednesday will determine whether or not Germany and the US remain united against Russia. See the link for further details.

    Make no mistake, Putin is a threat to be stopped, but a severely underestimated one. His strategy may end up resulting in a dictator far worse and far more dangerous than any the world has before seen. This could get bad.
    I disagree. It is logical for Putin to defend what he perceives as his country's legitimate security interests in countries like Ukraine, Georgia, etc. There is zero chance of him actually attacking (in any way) legitimate current NATO member states (he wouldn't really be able to anyway). The only thing that can make this really dangerous is if irresponsable Western leaders seek to expand NATO and or the EU beyond its current maximum limits and seek to drive Russia to the wall.

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    There is zero chance of him actually attacking (in any way) legitimate current NATO member states (he wouldn't really be able to anyway).
    If Putin posed zero threat to NATO, why would they be making such a big deal out of his ties to ultranationalist political parties attaining and currently in power in various NATO countries such as the Netherlands, Belgium, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria, Bulgaria, and others... ?

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Abbazorkzog View Post
    If Putin posed zero threat to NATO, why would they be making such a big deal out of his ties to ultranationalist political parties attaining and currently in power in various NATO countries such as the Netherlands, Belgium, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria, Bulgaria, and others... ?
    First of all, these ties exist more in the imagination of some than in reality.
    Second, this is purely for domestic political consumption in the countries you mention.

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

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    First of all, these ties exist more in the imagination of some than in reality.
    Second, this is purely for domestic political consumption in the countries you mention.
    I genuinely wish you were right.

    And ties between the EU and Russia are deeper than you can possibly imagine.

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Abbazorkzog View Post
    I genuinely wish you were right.

    And ties between the EU and Russia are deeper than you can possibly imagine.
    Looking at what you cite I would say you are really very ill-informed.

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Okay, but that's not what I'm doing, you said;

    The only thing that can make this really dangerous is if irresponsable Western leaders seek to expand NATO and or the EU beyond its current maximum limits and seek to drive Russia to the wall.
    And I'm just expanding upon your scenario with other possibilities from an unbiased perspective, just what I've noticed in the news as of late.

    As far as facts go, what we know is that Russia annexed Crimea, NATO was provoked, the EU and US began to split over sanctions, Le Pen received millions of dollars in Kremlin loans, and that various parties have been meeting in Moscow and Moscow allies.

    I'll have to continue this discussion tomorrow, its about 5 AM where I'm at and I need sleep.
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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Abbazorkzog View Post
    Okay, but that's not what I'm doing, you said;



    And I'm just expanding upon your scenario with other possibilities from an unbiased perspective, just what I've noticed in the news as of late.

    As far as facts go, what we know is that Russia annexed Crimea, NATO was provoked, the EU and US began to split over sanctions, Le Pen received millions of dollars in Kremlin loans, and that various parties have been meeting in Moscow and Moscow allies.

    I'll have to continue this discussion tomorrow, its about 5 AM where I'm at and I need sleep.
    As far as facts go:

    Russia has indeed annexed Crimea and Sevastopol, two areas that were pretty much under its military control in any event and that are very much outside the NATO area.
    The EU and the US are not split over sanctions and have actually cooperated and synchronized their efforts in this regard.
    The allegation that Le Pen received money from the Kremlin is an allegation, made for part-political reasons.
    The "mmetings" of political parties in Russia you are referring to are a complete myth.

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Okay well, I'll concede that Putin may not be behind it, but they are there, they do exist, and they pose a threat, however insignificant it may be. (And yes, the EU and US are coming to a head over Germany's economic reliance upon Russia - stone cold fact). Germany I thought this one would be fairly obvious after the NSA scandal (spying on Angela Merkel), US support of Greek concessions over Germany's policy involved therein and that abhorrent torture report. (Don't get me wrong, I stand by the US through-and-through but our government is not particularly wise.)
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