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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Apparently not if you think Putin invading another country annexing part of it and trying to annex more is defensive.
    I think I made myself clear when I informed you that I disagree with your characterisation of the events in Ukraine over the last year and a half.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I don't give a damn about that stupid Hilter rhetoric. Hell that's my money that's going to pay for that crap, AND IF IT TURNS INTO A NUCLEAR WAR MY CHILDREN, INCLUDING MY NINE YEAR OLD SON WILL DIE BECAUSE OF SOME STUPID THEORY THAT THE U.S. IS GOING TO CONTAIN RUSSIA PARTLY BY USING UKRAINE.

    Over and above that, I am sick and tired of people trying to use the U.S. to fight their stupid little wars. Let them fight their own wars with their own money, own weapons, and own men.
    o well your not me so who cares

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And even the supreme allied commander of NATO forces has cautioned Western/US supplying Ukraine with lethal weapons on the potential for Russian backlash. You seem eager for another (or at this point isn't it just perpetual) war, this one a proxy with Russia not unlike previous such conflicts. Or do I misunderstand your position on that?
    You totally misunderstand my position on that. I don't understand what I could have said that would give you that idea.

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    You totally misunderstand my position on that. I don't understand what I could have said that would give you that idea.
    Well you have my apology then. If you don't favor another US war, and worse, one with Russia then you're on the high side.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Russia is playing defense.
    It was Russia that started all of this first with economic warfare in order to prevent the Ukraine's right to self determination which prompted peaceful protests supported by the majority of Ukrainians which resulted in a Russian puppet at the direct behest of Putin, sending in his jack booted thugs to attack and murder the protesters which resulted in his impeachment followed by his treasonous self imposed exile to Russian occupied territory, then what happened next is Russia invaded, occupied, installed an occupation government with Spec Ops holding AKs and rocket launchers in the Crimean parliamentary building during the swearing in of a new Crimean "prime minister" and this was followed by the outright illegal annexation of sovereign Ukrainian territory by the Russian Federation through a fraudulent and illegal referendum in which only two options were offered cessation or annexation rather than maintaining the status quo and which did not allow for the majority of Ukrainians to participate.

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Actually, a bit before that with the US involvement in the tragic events of Maiden Square and the support of the Nazi.
    The only Nazi's in this equation are the Russian invaders and Yanukovych and his personal Gustapo the fascist Berkut jack booted thugs who murdered peaceful protesters in the street.

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I don't give a damn who starts a nuclear war, what I care about is that it doesn't happen.
    Well, the the EU and USA should just go ahead and surrender, huh?

    There have been many proxy wars between the USA and Russia - no nuclear war. BUT people like you always panicked fearing their would be.

    No, Russians are not mass suicide insane and certainly not their mega-rich. There is no nuclear war potential.

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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    It was Russia that started all of this first with economic warfare in order to prevent the Ukraine's right to self determination which prompted peaceful protests supported by the majority of Ukrainians which resulted in a Russian puppet at the direct behest of Putin, sending in his jack booted thugs to attack and murder the protesters which resulted in his impeachment followed by his treasonous self imposed exile to Russian occupied territory, then what happened next is Russia invaded, occupied, installed an occupation government with Spec Ops holding AKs and rocket launchers in the Crimean parliamentary building during the swearing in of a new Crimean "prime minister" and this was followed by the outright illegal annexation of sovereign Ukrainian territory by the Russian Federation through a fraudulent and illegal referendum in which only two options were offered cessation or annexation rather than maintaining the status quo and which did not allow for the majority of Ukrainians to participate.
    Lol. No, but that's a good Western try.
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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol. No, but that's a good Western try.
    Facts are stubborn things.

    Your assertions are chalked full of RT propaganda, half truths, and outright lies.

    it was Russia that started all of this first with economic warfare in order to prevent the Ukraine's right to self determination:

    Ukraine's Employers Federation: Russia's customs service halts all Ukrainian imports

    Ukraine's Employers Federation: Russia's customs service halts all Ukrainian imports

    This prompted peaceful protests to join the EU both of which were supported by the majority of Ukrainians:

    Public opinion about Euromaidan

    According to December 2013 polls (by three different pollsters) between 45% and 50% of Ukrainians supported Euromaidan, while between 42% and 50% opposed it.[126][127][128] The biggest support for the protest can be found in Kiev (about 75%) and western Ukraine (more than 80%).[126][129] Among Euromaidan protesters, 55% are from the west of the country, with 24% from central Ukraine and 21% from the east.[130]

    In a poll taken on 7–8 December, 73% of protesters had committed to continue protesting in Kiev as long as needed until their demands are fulfilled.[6] This number has increased to 82% as of 3 February 2014.[130] Polls also show that the nation is divided in age: while majority of young people are pro-EU, older generations (50 and above) more often prefer the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia.[131] More than 41% of protesters are ready to take part in the seizure of administrative buildings as of February, compared to 13 and 19 percent during polls on 10 and 20 December 2013. At the same time, more than 50 percent are ready to take part in the creation of independent military units, compared to 15 and 21 percent during the past studies, respectively.[130]

    According to a January poll, 45% of Ukrainians supported the protests, and 48% of Ukrainians disapproved of Euromaidan.[132]

    In a March poll, 57% of Ukrainians said they supported the Euromaidan protests.[133]

    A study conducted at Harvard University examining public opinion in regular and social media found that 74% of Russian speakers in Ukraine supported the Euromaidan movement, and a quarter opposed.[134]

    Public opinion about joining the EU


    According to an August 2013 study by a Donetsk company, Research & Branding Group,[135] 49% of Ukrainians supported signing the Association Agreement, while 31% opposed it and the rest had not decided yet. However, in a December poll by the same company, only 30% claimed that terms of the Association agreement would be beneficial for the Ukrainian economy, while 39% said they were unfavourable for Ukraine. In the same poll, only 30% said the opposition would be able to stabilise the society and govern the country well, if coming to power, while 37% disagreed.[136]

    Authors of the GfK Ukraine poll conducted 2–15 October 2013 claim that 45% of respondents believed Ukraine should sign an Association Agreement with the EU, whereas only 14% favoured joining the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia, and 15% preferred non-alignment. Full text of the EU-related question asked by GfK reads, "Should Ukraine sign the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement, and, in the future, become an EU member?"[137][138]

    Another poll conducted in November by IFAK Ukraine for DW-Trend showed 58% of Ukrainians supporting the country's entry into the European Union.[139] On the other hand a November 2013 poll by Kyiv International Institute of Sociology showed 39% supporting the country's entry into the European Union and 37% supporting Ukraine's accession to the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia.[140]

    In December 2013, then Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov refuted the pro-EU poll numbers claiming that many polls posed questions about Ukraine joining the EU, and that Ukraine had never been invited to join the Union, but only to sign the Association Agreement.[141][142]


    Euromaidan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The claim that the protesters were funded, armed, or directed by the US is absolutely false:

    US Did Not Spend $5 Billion to Destabilize Yanukovich


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    Re: NATO to bolster forces in eastern Europe against threat from Russia

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    These initially peaceful protests resulted in a Russian puppet at the direct behest of Putin, sending in his jack booted thugs to attack and murder the protesters on November 30th 2013:

    Putin pressured Yanukovych to crack down on the Maidan protesters. Ukrainska Pravda found that the notebooks of Yanukovych's security chief, Kostyantyn Kobzar, detail a private meeting between the two leaders at Putin's residence at Valdai on January 8, as the Maidan protests continued to grow.


    What the Ousted Ukrainian President Tried to Hide Before He Fled | New Republic


    Ukraine's bloody crackdown leads to call for sanctions
    Violent dispersal of pro-European protesters sparks opposition demand for trade embargo


    Ukraine's bloody crackdown leads to call for sanctions | World news | The Guardian

    The assertions that the snipers were protesters rather than Yanukovych Russian backed jack booted thugs is pure propaganda:


    15.17 Our correspondent, Damien McElroy, has spoken to the doctor at the centre of the claims that snipers that shot people in Kiev were hired by Maidan leaders:

    Olga Bogomolets said she had not told Mr Paet that policemen and protesters had been killed in the same manner.

    "Myself I saw only protesters. I do not know the type of wounds suffered by military people," she told The Telegraph. "I have no access to those people."

    But she said she had asked for a full forensic criminal investigation into the deaths that occurred in the Maidan. "No one who just sees the wounds when treating the victims can make a determination about the type of weapons. I hope international experts and Ukrainian investigators will make a determination of what type of weapons, who was involved in the killings and how it was done. I have no data to prove anything.

    "I was a doctor helping to save people on the square. There were 15 people killed on the first day by snipers. They were shot directly to the heart, brain and arteries. There were more than 40 the next day, 12 of them died in my arms.

    "Our nation has to ask the question who were the killers, who asked them to come to Ukraine. We need good answers on the basis of expertise."

    Mr Paet's assertion that an opposition figure was behind the Maidan massacre was not one she could share.

    "I think you can only say something like this on the basis of fact," she said. "Its not correct and its not good to do this. It should be based on fact."

    She said the new government in Kiev had assured her a criminal investigation had begun but that she had not direct contact with it so far.

    "They told me they have begun a criminal process and if they say that I believe them. The police have not given me any information on it."


    Ukraine crisis: March 5 as it happened - Telegraph


    Ukraine's special police shot dead dozens of anti-government protesters in Kiev in February, an initial government inquiry has found.

    Interior Minister Arsen Avakov told reporters 12 members of the Berkut police had been identified and three of them had been already arrested.


    The inquiry relates to the shootings on Instytutska street in Kiev, where 76 people were killed on 18-20 February......

    Meanwhile, Ukrainian Security Service chief Valentyn Nalyvaychenko said that Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) operatives had been involved in planning operations against the protesters. ....


    BBC News - Special police shot Kiev protesters, inquiry says

    This resulted in his impeachment followed by his treasonous self imposed exile to Russian occupied territory:

    Ukraine’s parliament votes to oust president; former prime minister is freed from prison
    Ukraine

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