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    re: ISIS brutaly murders Jordanian pilot. [W:119]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
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    None of those imply obligation. Nor do they imply guilt or responsibility either. When I said they "should" band together, it followed right after my statement that it isn't right that the Muslims are being associated with ISIS. I didn't think that anyone would read my post for anything other than what I said. I already know the Muslim countries are working towards getting rid of ISIS.
    And obligation doesn't imply they have to do it. Both 'should' and 'obligated to' imply that the actor ought to do something.

    Anyway, this argument is descending into semantics. My point (and maybe obligation was the wrong word), is that Muslims and heavily populated Muslim countries should not be singled out in having to band together in order to fight ISIS.
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    re: ISIS brutaly murders Jordanian pilot. [W:119]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Yet, you hear very little from the rest of the Muslim leadership condemning this act. I did like Jordan's response, though. Jordan should have publicly burned the terrorists as well.
    If it's ok for the Jordanian government to publicly burn two men alive, then why wasn't it ok for The Islamic State to do it? I think breaking the bottle that let these guys out was the greater crime.
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    re: ISIS brutaly murders Jordanian pilot. [W:119]

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    And obligation doesn't imply they have to do it. Both 'should' and 'obligated to' imply that the actor ought to do something.

    Anyway, this argument is descending into semantics. My point (and maybe obligation was the wrong word), is that Muslims and heavily populated Muslim countries should not be singled out in having to band together in order to fight ISIS.
    Interesting point, but you're making it to the wrong person. You may want to find someone who thinks it's the responsibility of Muslims and people in Muslim countries to fight ISIS, and who singles them out as having this responsibility. That isn't me.
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    re: ISIS brutaly murders Jordanian pilot. [W:119]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Yet, you hear very little from the rest of the Muslim leadership condemning this act.
    Err then you should stop only looking at Fox News. Just now on France 24 they reported numerous high ranking Muslim scholars and key religious centres from Egypt to Tehran and beyond condemning the action.

    I did like Jordan's response, though. Jordan should have publicly burned the terrorists as well.
    And make them no better than the demon bastards? I think not.
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    re: ISIS brutaly murders Jordanian pilot. [W:119]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Interesting point, but you're making it to the wrong person. You may want to find someone who thinks it's the responsibility of Muslims and people in Muslim countries to fight ISIS, and who singles them out as having this responsibility. That isn't me.
    Sorry, that's pretty much what I thought you meant in your original post. I guess I thought wrong.

    Although I'd defend myself by saying that many people do hold the belief that muslims primarily hold the responsibility to fight ISIS. Obviously you're not one of those people.
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    re: ISIS brutaly murders Jordanian pilot. [W:119]

    Quote Originally Posted by L0neW0lf View Post
    Yes you are correct in that Muslims believe its forbidden to use fire in execution but its not from the Quran, its from the Hadith. Whereas it is believed that the Quran is the unaltered word of God and therefor is infallible, Hadith even ones with good Isnad are not.

    Some Muslims, a small minority, don't accept the veracity of any Hadiths.
    And so what? There is a small minority of Christians that believe it is okay to have sex with a 10 year old.. does not make it acceptable mainstream in Christianity does it now?

    Fact is, that pretty much all major religious scholars and organisations in the Islamic world have come out against this action and condemned it. Now you wont hear that on Fox News or even most US media, because it goes against the narrative of Islam being bad, but that does not mean that the condemnation has not happened.

    Muslim Clerics: 'Kill and Crucify' ISIS Terrorists - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

    Normally I would not use the Daily Mail as a source but considering the history and attitudes of the paper, I find their covering of this story kinda ironic.

    Even Al-Qaeda condemn murder of Jordanian pilot Moaz al-Kasasbeh | Daily Mail Online

    The head of Sunni Islam's top university has called for the crucifixion of Islamic State militants over the burning of a Jordanian fighter pilot - an act even Al-Qaeda condemned as 'deviant'.

    Responding to the murder of Moaz al-Kasasbeh, the Grand Sheikh of Al-Azhar university in Cairo, Ahmed al-Tayib, said those responsible must face 'killing, crucifixion and chopping of the limbs.'

    His judgement came as a Twitter account linked to Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Yemeni branch of the terror group, denounced the killing as 'conclusive proof of Isis' deviance'.
    The actions of ISIS are unacceptable to mainstream Islam and even radical terrorists like Al Q... ironic no?
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    re: ISIS brutaly murders Jordanian pilot. [W:119]

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Sorry, that's pretty much what I thought you meant in your original post. I guess I thought wrong.

    Although I'd defend myself by saying that many people do hold the belief that muslims primarily hold the responsibility to fight ISIS. Obviously you're not one of those people.
    I'm definitely not one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe now this type of thing will wake up more leaders within the religion to start rallying those withing the Islamic faith to rise up against this scourge, that so far they have been relatively silent on....
    Actually, it's the US media that has been relatively silent on REPORTING the outcry by Muslim leaders around the world. It would have been better had the US not pursued policies in the ME that gave rise to such militants, unfortunately, you can't put the genie back in the bottle.
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    re: ISIS brutaly murders Jordanian pilot. [W:119]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Unfortunately we don't have videos of the same sufferings of civilians in Dresden and Tokyo burned alive by napalm fire bombs dropped by the US. Or of all those burned alive by US flame throwers. Or those civilians burned alive by napalm bombs in Vietnam, though I think some stills may exist of the latter.
    Yeah, that's terrible, but Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and awakened a sleeping Tiger. Too bad, war is hell, and they got what they asked for.

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    re: ISIS brutaly murders Jordanian pilot. [W:119]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If it's ok for the Jordanian government to publicly burn two men alive, then why wasn't it ok for The Islamic State to do it? I think breaking the bottle that let these guys out was the greater crime.
    They started by burning a man alive, so I'm all for sending these bastards to meet their 72 virgins, but on their way, I want them to suffer getting there.

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