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Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

I think they might try :(. I think that attempts to say for certainty one way or the other are idiotic projections - the people who claim that Iranian leadership are really just rational westerners who are seeking their own self-interest are no better than those who claim that they're all full-Ahmadinejad. There is a strong case that they would consider it a religious imperative.

I am a lot more sure that they will use it as cover to become much more aggressive in the region, and spark a nuclear arms race with Saudi Arabia. Then you have two somewhat shaky, unrepresentative regimes periodically ruled by their extremists. Something I periodically have to re-post when this kind of subject comes up.

Iran's program began around 89- born from the Iraq- Iran war. Will it change the area power structure- certainly- but usage of such a weapon on Israel would result in massive retaliation from Israel.
Destroying the Al Aqsa Mosque would be certain from a nuke strike- the 3rd holiest shrine within Islam - would they do that- No is my opinion
Will Saudi look for a nuke- I would say the probability of this occurring is darn near 100 %.
How many countries have been invaded that have a nuke capability- none.
Iran has the tech now- it is how long it would take to assemble a weapon is where the talks are focused- How much lead time for the West to be able, if needed to use other options, including war.
Do I think negotiations if agreed upon will prevent them from doing this in secret- No- the only way would be open and immediate access to inspectors to any site in Iran. I do not see Iran accepting this.
Then the period of years for inspections.
This would need to be permanent. Iran will not accept that.
Taking out the nuke facilities only slows them. Then what?

As to supporting Hezbollah and others- that is a side issue - but having an Israel- PLO settlement of the borders and such would undercut Hezbollah-Hamas.
If not then the EU- US- Canada would need to list both as terror orgs. Stop all aid.
Quite the circle of problems.
 
I never use it to "slam". I use it because the stories we discuss are military related. Such as drone strikes. Obviously, my experiece would differ from yours in military related stories, as you've never deployed to a war zone.

How would you know if I did or did not?
 
How would you know if I did or did not?

Lol is that a serious question?

Ok, I'll bite....

What unit, deployment, mission were you attached to? Let me guess, you're an Airborne Ranger from the 75th? :)
 
Lol is that a serious question?

Ok, I'll bite....

What unit, deployment, mission were you attached to? Let me guess, you're an Airborne Ranger from the 75th? :)
Nope- I was in the Canadian Military.
 
Nope- I was in the Canadian Military.

I trained with you guys and did two large manpower studies in 4 Canadian bats. What unit were you in? Were you in the RCIC?
 
I trained with you guys and did two large manpower studies in 4 Canadian bats. What unit were you in? Were you in the RCIC?

Served with 1 RCHA, 3rd Bn PPCLI. Base and field units. I was not always a REMF
 
Old timer:peace

Thanks - I like getting old. Waking up is a great way to start a day is what I usually say.

My lovely Bride and I got us 2 Grandchildren now, and they are the love of our life.
Make you 10 years younger.

Not sure if you recall this. Had friends on the ground when this happened. Knew and served with the Patricia snipers that you guys loved in AStan. They were dammed good at what they did.
Friendly Fire: The Untold Story of the U.S. Bombing that Killed Four Canadian Soldiers in Afghanistan by Michael Friscolanti
 
Thanks - I like getting old. Waking up is a great way to start a day is what I usually say.

My lovely Bride and I got us 2 Grandchildren now, and they are the love of our life.
Make you 10 years younger.

Not sure if you recall this. Had friends on the ground when this happened. Knew and served with the Patricia snipers that you guys loved in AStan. They were dammed good at what they did.
Friendly Fire: The Untold Story of the U.S. Bombing that Killed Four Canadian Soldiers in Afghanistan by Michael Friscolanti


Anytime someone other than the enemy kills your soldiers, it's tough. The US has had plenty of deaths from friendly fire. Including the ANA killing us.
 
I never use it to "slam". I use it because the stories we discuss are military related. Such as drone strikes. Obviously, my experiece would differ from yours in military related stories, as you've never deployed to a war zone.

As a veteran of service in peacetime (luckily), I fully understand the difference between both types of service, and any rational veteran would, and have nothing but the highest respect for your service, and sacrifice 11B....You are what makes this country as great as it is.
 
As a veteran of service in peacetime (luckily), I fully understand the difference between both types of service, and any rational veteran would, and have nothing but the highest respect for your service, and sacrifice 11B....You are what makes this country as great as it is.

Well thank you but I definitely lost my cool in this argument and apologize for flipping on JANFU.

Thank you for your service my friends.
 
Anytime someone other than the enemy kills your soldiers, it's tough. The US has had plenty of deaths from friendly fire. Including the ANA killing us.
Yes.
So time to settle one thing- I am not a liar- I may forget things, misinterpret things, but i am not a man that is given to lying. My dad would beat the crap out of us for that. Then the Military it was not one thing that people ever forgot- once tagged as a liar, it was game over. So truth be told, being called one is rather upsetting for me.
I make mistakes, I man up and apologize, as I have done on this board.
if I misinterpret a post, get huffy on my part, I apologize.
If the member calls me on my intent, I look at that, as I am the only one who knows what my intent was- and yes I was taken to the woodshed by Cephus on that. Why- because of my intent- no one but myself would know my intent. Did I wiggle, play BS with him, nope. Not my way of doing things nor my way of living.
He was right, I was wrong. I stated as such to him.

So perhaps we shroud start fresh.
Over to you.
 
Yes.
So time to settle one thing- I am not a liar- I may forget things, misinterpret things, but i am not a man that is given to lying. My dad would beat the crap out of us for that. Then the Military it was not one thing that people ever forgot- once tagged as a liar, it was game over. So truth be told, being called one is rather upsetting for me.
I make mistakes, I man up and apologize, as I have done on this board.
if I misinterpret a post, get huffy on my part, I apologize.
If the member calls me on my intent, I look at that, as I am the only one who knows what my intent was- and yes I was taken to the woodshed by Cephus on that. Why- because of my intent- no one but myself would know my intent. Did I wiggle, play BS with him, nope. Not my way of doing things nor my way of living.
He was right, I was wrong. I stated as such to him.

So perhaps we shroud start fresh.
Over to you.

Agreed. I apologize.
 
Yes.
So time to settle one thing- I am not a liar- I may forget things, misinterpret things, but i am not a man that is given to lying. My dad would beat the crap out of us for that. Then the Military it was not one thing that people ever forgot- once tagged as a liar, it was game over. So truth be told, being called one is rather upsetting for me.
I make mistakes, I man up and apologize, as I have done on this board.
if I misinterpret a post, get huffy on my part, I apologize.
If the member calls me on my intent, I look at that, as I am the only one who knows what my intent was- and yes I was taken to the woodshed by Cephus on that. Why- because of my intent- no one but myself would know my intent. Did I wiggle, play BS with him, nope. Not my way of doing things nor my way of living.
He was right, I was wrong. I stated as such to him.

So perhaps we shroud start fresh.
Over to you.

Good post JANFU...I respect that.
 
Isn't it a shame we have such a pathetic effeminate fool for a President? If only ISIS would declare they are members of a TEA Party the president would know what to do.

Yeah, we need another George Bush to take us into more war. Has it escaped you what continent the US is on, or are you just one more belligerent that thinks he's swinging the big one?
 
"Isn't it a shame we have such a pathetic effeminate fool for a President? If only ISIS would declare they are members of a TEA Party the president would know what to do."
Yeah, we need another George Bush to take us into more war. Has it escaped you what continent the US is on, or are you just one more belligerent that thinks he's swinging the big one?
I suppose for some the best way out is an easy capitulation.
 
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