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Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

Perhaps. However if the death is seen as a flashpoint by Jordan which accelerates their people to enter the fight with ISIS, it will be greater, since the beheadings of other countries citizens did not motivate Jordan. Apparently, this Jordanian pilots death has done just that.

Jordan was in the fight already, it's precisely why this pilot was captured and subsequently killed.
 
By setting a prisoner on fire? You call that fighting?

Brave little soldiers they are...

Perhaps they're no braver than the little soldiers killing both alleged enemy combatants and innocent civilians using PD's from the comfort and security of their BOO in Florida or elsewhere.
 
Especially all those innocent, harmless, all-male weddings that feature, for some reason, large numbers of arms cache's....

Yes, it was the children killed at those weddings and funerals that were stowing the arms. I suppose you're now arguing those weddings and funerals were legitimate targets, much as Germany argued that the Lusitania was a legitimate target.
 
https://twitter.com/salar_dd

Looks like the Jordanians aren't wasting any time.

Is that confirmed? And how many of those 55 were civilians? In your link I see a post that Turkish Special Forces have raided Kurdish villages and killed babies and blamed it on the PKK!!!! Seems these things happen everywhere.
 
If I understand your abbreviations right, you are asserting the U.S. is committing war crimes by killing ten civilians for every "alleged (key word there)" Islamic jihadist it kills in a drone attack. I doubt you can support that assertion with evidence--and the fact you make it suggests how eager you are to slander this country.

Once again, I'd like to recommend an excellent book by Andy McCarthy, the former federal prosecutor who led the prosecution of Omar Abdel "The Blind Sheikh" Rahman for leading the conspirators who bombed the World Trade Center the first time, in February, 1993. The title is "The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America."

Are you slandering your country by claiming that the left is sabotaging America?

Five years ago, on January 23 2009, a CIA drone flattened a house in Pakistan’s tribal regions. It was the third day of Barack Obama’s presidency, and this was the new commander-in-chief’s first covert drone strike.

Initial reports said up to ten militants were killed, including foreign fighters and possibly a ‘high-value target’ – a successful first hit for the fledgling administration.

But reports of civilian casualties began to emerge. As later reports revealed, the strike was far from a success. At least nine civilians died, most of them from one family. There was one survivor, 14-year-old Fahim Qureshi, but with horrific injuries including shrapnel wounds in his stomach, a fractured skull and a lost eye, he was as much a victim as his dead relatives.

Later that day, the CIA attacked again – and levelled another house. It proved another mistake, this time one that killed between five and ten people, all civilians.

http://www.thebureauinvestigates.co...ad-as-obamas-drone-campaign-marks-five-years/

41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed: US drone strikes – the facts on the ground
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-strikes-kill-1147

The study by Stanford Law School and New York University's School of Law calls for a re-evaluation of the practice, saying the number of "high-level" targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is extremely low -- about 2%.

The report accuses Washington of misrepresenting drone strikes as "a surgically precise and effective tool that makes the U.S. safer," saying that in reality, "there is significant evidence that U.S. drone strikes have injured and killed civilians."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/world/asia/pakistan-us-drone-strikes/
 
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Despite drone proponents’ assertions that drones are more precise and thus less likely to cause civilian casualties, a new study finds that the unmanned strikes killed ten times more Afghani civilians than manned aircraft.

The study was conducted by U.S. military advisors Larry Lewis from the Center for Naval Analyses and Sarah Holewinsk of the Center for Civilians in Conflict. The pair studied air strikes in Afghanistan from mid-2010 to mid-2011 — regarded as one of the heightened periods of the air warfare in the region — using classified military information for research on the civilian casualties caused by the attacks. Through their analysis, according to The Guardian, Lewis and Holewinsk found that “the missile strikes conducted by remotely piloted aircraft, commonly known as drones, were 10 times more deadly to Afghan civilians than those performed by fighter jets.”

Drone Strikes Kill Ten Times More Civilians Than Manned Aircraft, New Study Says | Mediaite
 
Yes, it was the children killed at those weddings and funerals that were stowing the arms

Indeed. All of those poor, poor, 18-24 year old children, innocently playing with their RPGs...
 
Indeed. All of those poor, poor, 18-24 year old children, innocently playing with their RPGs...

The world learned in December that a U.S. drone strike in Yemen killed numerous wedding-goers as they made their way to a young couple's celebration.

Another local's words remind us that the dead and the people who lost family members aren't the only victims, and that the horror wrought by this drone strike goes on: "We live in fear day and night," he said. "Our children and women cannot sleep.” His words echo the findings of a report on drones by the law clinics at NYU and Stanford, which discovered communities living in terror of U.S. strikes.

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...us-drone-strike-turned-into-a-funeral/282936/
 
Having just seen the ISIS video of the burning of this Jordanian pilot, I can see why it took almost a month for it to be released. We're not talking here about a 2 minute rough clip of a beheading. This is a 23 minute short film, a propaganda piece at its finest, and had it been presented at a film festival or for Oscar consideration it might well have won an award. This is a very polished and professional piece.

We need to get very serious about what's happening in Syria and Iraq right now - this ISIS endeavour is very well organized and appears to be very well financed. This is no Junior Varsity exercise, as someone famously and foolishly once said. This is, as my Canadian Prime Minister said, ISIS declaring war on us, all of us. We'd better wake up to that reality.
 
Having just seen the ISIS video of the burning of this Jordanian pilot, I can see why it took almost a month for it to be released. We're not talking here about a 2 minute rough clip of a beheading. This is a 23 minute short film, a propaganda piece at its finest, and had it been presented at a film festival or for Oscar consideration it might well have won an award. This is a very polished and professional piece.

We need to get very serious about what's happening in Syria and Iraq right now - this ISIS endeavour is very well organized and appears to be very well financed. This is no Junior Varsity exercise, as someone famously and foolishly once said. This is, as my Canadian Prime Minister said, ISIS declaring war on us, all of us. We'd better wake up to that reality.

Consequences!!!!!!! Hard to put that genie back into the bottle.

Former U.S. President George W. Bush has claimed that the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) militant group is his only regret about invading Iraq in 2003.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...S-the-only-regret-for-2003-Iraq-invasion.html
 
The world learned in December that a U.S. drone strike in Yemen killed numerous wedding-goers as they made their way to a young couple's celebration.

Another local's words remind us that the dead and the people who lost family members aren't the only victims, and that the horror wrought by this drone strike goes on: "We live in fear day and night," he said. "Our children and women cannot sleep.” His words echo the findings of a report on drones by the law clinics at NYU and Stanford, which discovered communities living in terror of U.S. strikes.

The Wedding That a U.S. Drone Strike Turned Into a Funeral - The Atlantic

Oh yes. The famous high standards and objectivity of Yemeni media from the south tribal zone. If there is anyone we can trust, it's people allied with al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula :roll:


I saw a great IO study one time that compared the effectiveness of Saddam's dependence on an aging IADS network versus the Talibans dependence on manipulating the western media to avoid western airstrikes. Needless to say, the SA-5's didn't come out well.
 
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i keep waiting for you to share with us your recipe for discriminating against isis personnel versus the remainder of the population in the region they inhabit together
and you come back with stupid:

so, if you actually have an approach to take out the bad guys while sparing the innocent, share it with us

We should do it in the usual way. Are you that unaware of how things are done?
 
Bucky, you are really not worth the effort. But, another wild assed claim by you is you claiming Obama is an anti-semite and will to let his friends in Iran exterminate the Jews.

Ahhh I see. Get caught in your lie, refuse to cite this magical quote of me condemning drone strikes by Obama, then totally deflect.

I rest my case :)
 
Oh yes. The famous high standards and objectivity of Yemeni media from the south tribal zone. If there is anyone we can trust, it's people allied with al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula :roll:


I saw a great IO study one time that compared the effectiveness of Saddam's dependence on an aging IADS network versus the Talibans dependence on manipulating the western media to avoid western airstrikes. Needless to say, the SA-5's didn't come out well.

I'll assume that's a denial that US PD strikes are killing disproportionate numbers of civilians. They're dead, just the same.
 
Ahhh I see. Get caught in your lie, refuse to cite this magical quote of me condemning drone strikes by Obama, then totally deflect.

I rest my case :)
Rest is what you need.
same as stating, my own words, not your exact phrasing, Obama was willing to stand by as Iran exterminated the Jews. Recall that Buck?
 
Jordan was in the fight already, it's precisely why this pilot was captured and subsequently killed.

Yes... that's why I stated "accelerates". Really I'm wondering if the Arab League will join in as well.
 
Are you slandering your country by claiming that the left is sabotaging America?

I agree with Mr. McCarthy's thesis. And neither he nor I is slandering this county by pointing out a fact: many leftists share the Islamists' loathing of the United States. They show this loathing by constantly running this country down and carrying water for the Islamists.

If it's known that people who are bona fide innocent civilians are being killed in these drone attacks--and I don't how anyone gets into South Waziristan or an Al Qaeda village in the outback of Yemen to verify that--that is the price of sheltering war criminals in your midst. You cited the laws of war, but what you failed to mentioned is that the responsibility for civilian deaths in that situation falls not on the attacker, but on the war criminals who knowingly put them at risk by hiding in their midst.

It would make no sense for the laws of war to prohibit--and they do not--a lawful combatant from firing on enemy combatants, just because they were violating the laws of war by sheltering in a school, church, hospital, or similar, or are fighting from among civilians or otherwise using human shields. Anyone who favors giving unlawful enemy combatants carte blanche to do those things is, ironically, encouraging the very war crimes the laws of war as codified in the Geneva Conventions were meant to discourage. To allow combatants to engage in war crimes and still be immune from attack under the laws of war would remove all incentive to abide by those laws. Jihadists are completely outside the protections of the laws of war, and all civilian deaths that occur as an incident of any reasonable force used to attack them are on their heads.
 
Indeed. All of those poor, poor, 18-24 year old children, innocently playing with their RPGs...

They're undoubtedly playing with Fischer Price's " My First RPG ".
 
I agree with Mr. McCarthy's thesis. And neither he nor I is slandering this county by pointing out a fact: many leftists share the Islamists' loathing of the United States. They show this loathing by constantly running this country down and carrying water for the Islamists.

If it's known that people who are bona fide innocent civilians are being killed in these drone attacks--and I don't how anyone gets into South Waziristan or an Al Qaeda village in the outback of Yemen to verify that--that is the price of sheltering war criminals in your midst. You cited the laws of war, but what you failed to mentioned is that the responsibility for civilian deaths in that situation falls not on the attacker, but on the war criminals who knowingly put them at risk by hiding in their midst.

It would make no sense for the laws of war to prohibit--and they do not--a lawful combatant from firing on enemy combatants, just because they were violating the laws of war by sheltering in a school, church, hospital, or similar, or are fighting from among civilians or otherwise using human shields. Anyone who favors giving unlawful enemy combatants carte blanche to do those things is, ironically, encouraging the very war crimes the laws of war as codified in the Geneva Conventions were meant to discourage. To allow combatants to engage in war crimes and still be immune from attack under the laws of war would remove all incentive to abide by those laws. Jihadists are completely outside the protections of the laws of war, and all civilian deaths that occur as an incident of any reasonable force used to attack them are on their heads.

Global authorities that the US government conveniently refuses to recognise have correctly condemned civilian casualties by the US military and clandestine agencies. You can ignore it as it pleases you, but that doesn't change the fact.
 
Yes... that's why I stated "accelerates". Really I'm wondering if the Arab League will join in as well.

I'm thinking that's possible.
 
I'll assume that's a denial that US PD strikes are killing disproportionate numbers of civilians

That is correct. In fact, US drone strikes produce civilian casualties at a pretty low rate - far better than the option of ground operations. In the meantime, those we are fighting know full well that the best bet they have to mitigate or reduce strikes is to produce inflated accounts of civilian casualties. I remember one of my buddies in Afghanistan had an incident where a house fired upon them, they returned fire, killed two people, and then insurgents came in, slaughtered a bunch of goats, smeared the blood everywhere, claimed Marines had gunned down 20 civilians, and got CNN to run the story before they were able to run it down. And gullible people back here in the States buy their narratives.
 
Global authorities that the US government conveniently refuses to recognise have correctly condemned civilian casualties by the US military and clandestine agencies. You can ignore it as it pleases you, but that doesn't change the fact.

Actually he is correct. The Geneva Conventions correctly recognize that culpability for civilian casualties lies with those who militarize their positions.
 
Rest is what you need.
same as stating, my own words, not your exact phrasing, Obama was willing to stand by as Iran exterminated the Jews. Recall that Buck?

I never said Iran "exterminated" the Jews. I said they intend to.

Want me to post the link? :)
 
Victim blaming reaches new lows. Damn those militarised weddings!
 
I never said Iran "exterminated" the Jews. I said they intend to.

Want me to post the link? :)

Answer the complete question asked or was it a tad difficult for ya.

Rest is what you need.
same as stating, my own words, not your exact phrasing, Obama was willing to stand by as Iran exterminated the Jews. Recall that Buck?
 
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