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Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

MMC said:
Looks like they are going to put the Jordanians to the test.....we should be dropping Napalm on them. So they cut down on the martydumbness.
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Fight fire with fire.
 
Grand Mal said:
Hard to see what point will be made by executing someone who was sent, willingly, on a suicide mission. Executing captured fighters might have an effect but that woman was written off by everyone, including herself, long ago.
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It is satisfying. Burn her the same way the pilot was burned alive.
Throw her and all others that are in captivity into a garbage pit. Set the pit on fire.
 
Declan said:
I am an easy convert to personal responsibility. I have not suggested the government ban reporting anything, only that media outlets think carefully about their decisions to delve into the nitty gritty details.
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my apologies
i failed to recognize that your sentiment about such reporting was limited to wishing the media would report differently
in which case i similarly wish for world peace. your expectation should be the same as mine
 
Misterveritis said:
They are made of flesh and blood. We need to destroy their bodies and spill their blood. It is a weakness we can exploit.
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No offense, but are you not religious? These guys are. If they die you create more converts. The whole "hearts and minds" was clearly wrong. You want to hurt them, show others what they do. Show the followers of Islam what is done in the name of Allah. Show the lavish lives of the leaders. Show the followers killing children and strapping bombs to them. Show them what is done for "Islam."

If Islam is truly a peaceful religion, then the ones who agree and do not want their children having bombs tied to them will fight back. And fight back in the name of Islam. A pure form. A much more desirable form.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Deny all you like, but you are condoning terrorism in response to terrorism, and that is being one.
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Right. No. Flame is a terrible weapon. Use it against them. They have waged war on us. Let us return the favor. But this time let's fight to win. If you cannot stand to do what is necessary then avert your eyes.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'm sorry, but I'm not with you and your President on this one. I refuse to believe that I and the rest of western first world society is to blame for young Muslims wanting to blow themselves and others up for their religion or for wanting to behead innocent people, rape innocent women and children, and now burn a young man alive. That's not a function of an insufficient social welfare state. That's religious indoctrination run amok.
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Let me explain.

I am not saying that the United States and western society is directly responsible for making the message of ISIS so appealing to potential recruits.

The kind of people who are attracted to ISIS are mainly people who have drawn the short straw in life, are disillusioned with western values, or whose background knowledge of islam's history is limited.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Instead of putting hackers in jail, why not hack their accounts and start an internal war? Why not introduce some malware in the whole middle east network and shut them down now and then.

Wreak havoc any way you can, fight them where they are not and never show weakness....art of war
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Only don't hurt them...
 
Fearandloathing said:
Whoi knows what you were on with that post...stick to the issue YOU created....you want to burn people alive in pig fat...

That's not ****ing twisted to you?
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I kinda like it. I think their executions should occur in a garbage pit. One can cover what is left with pig offal.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Let me explain.

I am not saying that the United States and western society is directly responsible for making the message of ISIS so appealing to potential recruits.

The kind of people who are attracted to ISIS are mainly people who have drawn the short straw in life, are disillusioned with western values, or whose background knowledge of islam's history is limited.
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And again, you're not explaining how that isn't directly related to their religion and their teachings. There are almost 49 million people in the United States, as of 2013, living in poverty. I dare say that poverty in the United States is no more glamorous than poverty in France or Britain etc. And these people, living in poverty in the United States, also "have drawn the short straw in life, are disillusioned with western values" and whose background knowledge of Islam's history is not limited but non-existent. Why aren't they equally attracted to ISIS? Why is it that in the United States and Canada the only ones attracted to ISIS are the recent converts to Islam if it has nothing to do with the teachings of that faith?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Let me explain.

I am not saying that the United States and western society is directly responsible for making the message of ISIS so appealing to potential recruits.

The kind of people who are attracted to ISIS are mainly people who have drawn the short straw in life, are disillusioned with western values, or whose background knowledge of islam's history is limited.
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With the exception of rebellion against Western values, this is not an accurate profile of a common ISIS recruit.
 
justabubba said:
a considered response
rather than an emotionally driven one
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No. It is time for an emotionally driven victory instead of the namby-pamby effeminate pin pricks. Of course we might have to wait until The Effeminate One on the golf course finally leaves the White House.
 
Risky Thicket said:
We, the west, get-the-****-out. Leave. No bases, no embassy, no nothing. We stop ****ing with their governments, stop assassinating and/or replacing their leaders, stop destroying their infrastructure (such that it is), stop any and all occupation of any sort. Let them fight their own battles.

The one thing we have not tried in over 70 years is leaving them the hell alone.
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Sure. I suppose this Holocaust is somehow different than the last one. It is time to stop this group of NAZIs the same way we stopped the last ones.

So why do you absolve yourself from the blame of watching from the sidelines and averting your eyes? There is evil in the world. And you, whether you realize it or not, support the evil ones.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Was our fight with Osama bin laden motivated by what the man did? Or was it also about his religion?
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So Bin laden declaring a holy war against American civilians and financing mass murder wasn't in the name of his religion and God?

Ignorance is bliss...
 
CanadaJohn said:
And again, you're not explaining how that isn't directly related to their religion and their teachings. There are almost 49 million people in the United States, as of 2013, living in poverty. I dare say that poverty in the United States is no more glamorous than poverty in France or Britain etc. And these people, living in poverty in the United States, also "have drawn the short straw in life, are disillusioned with western values" and whose background knowledge of Islam's history is not limited but non-existent. Why aren't they equally attracted to ISIS? Why is it that in the United States and Canada the only ones attracted to ISIS are the recent converts to Islam if it has nothing to do with the teachings of that faith?
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Islam had coexisted with the west in the past.

Maybe some people join ISIS because they are against societies that approve of religious toleration. That was what originally motivated the English puritians to leave holland and establish colonies in the new world: they did not approve of Hollands religious toleration and worried that their kids would become moderates instead of puritans.

Am I crazy in arguing that the veiws of ISIS are a tiny minority and that not all Muslims are sucide bombers in training?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Islam had coexisted with the west in the past.

Maybe some people join ISIS because they are against societies that approve of religious toleration. That was what originally motivated the English puritians to leave holland and establish colonies in the new world: they did not approve of Hollands religious toleration and worried that their kids would become moderates instead of puritans.
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We're just going to have to disagree here - no harm in that, and thanks for the discussion.
 
Declan said:
I am an easy convert to personal responsibility. I have not suggested the government ban reporting anything, only that media outlets think carefully about their decisions to delve into the nitty gritty details.
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What makes you think they don't?

In the broadcast game the pictures are everything, BUT there are cases where you not only have to think twice but self censor. I covered a murder suicide where we had visuals of an EMT carrying the lifeless body of an infant with half of him blown away......we argued mightily over that one and it was me who spiked it....just too much blood and baby.

Again with pictures of a man trapped in a car burning alive...we canned it, it was sickening.

There is always, though, the public right to know; they have a right to know these things happen and see them with their own eyes. What is happening with these animals is world changing and we MUST face it or perish.

The public always has the right to tune out.......

More should
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
We provide them legitimacy when we publicly associate their actions with the religion of Islam. What ISIS practices can be called many things, but Islamic is not one of them.
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Obama! Is that you? Why aren't you on the golf course?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Also there are no shortage of people that are attracted by the possibility of loot, plunder, and power.
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I call people like that authoritarian statists but Liberal, Progressive, National Socialist, International socialist, Libertarian-Leftist all work as well. It is what our federal government does daily. Loot. Plunder. Accrue more power. Now back to the Islamofascist terrorists.
 
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