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Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

Fearandloathing said:
Deny all you like, but you are condoning terrorism in response to terrorism, and that is being one.
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wrong

if someone shoots an innocent person that is murder. if someone kills a murderer that is righteous
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Why not use the fact that they use social media to propogate their message, and sow confusion in their ranks by spreading false messages?
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That is another way.....and should be used with all others. Even catching them talking about one another and using it.....is all part of degrading them while destroying them.
 
Ockham said:
Jordan has pretty good ties with the Arab League - I'm wondering if this will start nudging the league to start wanting to deal with ISIS. Let's see...
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I have never understood the reluctance...they all stand to lose if these guys flourish, the House of Saud could be overthrown...

I have heard it speculated that they fear reprisals, that its because of Israel, that they fear an Arab on Arab war, but none of that makes any sense.
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong

if someone shoots an innocent person that is murder. if someone kills a murderer that is righteous
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yes, in a middle ages world.

I thought the United States was a democracy with rights and justice and a prevention against cruelty.....

But if you want to go middle ages and torture lesbians or whatever you're on about, say so, stop hiding behind this fredom bull**** and admit its racism and you want to exterminate them
 
Fearandloathing said:
yes, in a middle ages world.

I thought the United States was a democracy with rights and justice and a prevention against cruelty.....

But if you want to go middle ages and torture lesbians or whatever you're on about, say so, stop hiding behind this fredom bull**** and admit its racism and you want to exterminate them
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where did I say anything about torturing lesbians. the goal is to debase, disgrace and waste those responsible for murdering innocents. It has nothing to do with "racism"

and the goal is to eradicate this sort of nastiness as quickly and efficiently as possible
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Why not use the fact that they use social media to propogate their message, and sow confusion in their ranks by spreading false messages?
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Instead of putting hackers in jail, why not hack their accounts and start an internal war? Why not introduce some malware in the whole middle east network and shut them down now and then.

Wreak havoc any way you can, fight them where they are not and never show weakness....art of war
 
TurtleDude said:
where did I say anything about torturing lesbians. the goal is to debase, disgrace and waste those responsible for murdering innocents. It has nothing to do with "racism"

and the goal is to eradicate this sort of nastiness as quickly and efficiently as possible
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Whoi knows what you were on with that post...stick to the issue YOU created....you want to burn people alive in pig fat...

That's not ****ing twisted to you?
 
Fearandloathing said:
Whoi knows what you were on with that post...stick to the issue YOU created....you want to burn people alive in pig fat...

That's not ****ing twisted to you?
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If it saves one innocent life-be it a Japanese, an American or a Jordanian……….
 
CanadaJohn said:
One less bargaining chip - if there aren't captive "associates" to be retrieve and/or countries willing to give money in ransom, the kidnapping of people becomes less valuable.
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Ah. I was thinking in terms of deterrence.
I'm generally a peacemonger and opposed to capital punishment but this whole scenario I see as an exception to my rules. For one thing, I advocate very public execution of captured ISIS fighters. This won't have the effect we hope for on the committed fanatics among them but it should make converted, radicalized westerners think twice about going to Syria. For another thing, I'd like to see a limited on-the-ground response, limited to special forces- JTF 2, British and Australian SAS, whichever American special forces are the flavour of the week. These operators can conduct raids, snipe, scout for air strikes, work their magic without embedded reporters. If conventional forces are used I'd advocate that women in combat roles be front-and-centre, especially wherever the possibility of taking prisoners is high.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Good afternoon MMC

At the very least, this female suicide bomber that ISIS has been trying to retrieve should be publicly executed by whatever means is available under Jordanian law. Otherwise, she will continue to be used as a bargaining chip.
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The U.S. should not allow jihadist war criminals to shelter in cities like Raqqa and Mosul. I am sure there are quite a few jihadist targets the U.S. has identified in these and other cities, but that it has decided not to bomb for fear of causing civilian casualties. That is a dangerous mistake, because it concedes to the jihadists a more-or-less permanent safe haven. If civilians are killed in the course of attacking war criminals who are sheltering among them, it is not the attackers who are responsible for their deaths under the laws of war, but the war criminals.

I have thought all along that the precision of modern weapons, and the eagerness to trumpet it as proof of how civilized and humane this country is, has worked against us. It has made very clear to Islamic jihadists that we are less concerned with destroying them than we are with preventing casualties among civilians. Apparently the hope is this exquisite caution will cause the "good" Muslims to realize how nice we Americans are and take our side. But if many of those people are more or less sympathetic to the jihadists, they will take this as nothing but weakness--a sign we are not determined to destroy our sworn enemies. They should be disabused of this idea--dramatically, and soon.

Of course I am not calling for intentional targeting of civilians--that is a war crime. But we should never rule any jihadist target in or near a city off limits just because bombing it might incidentally kill civilians. It is very dangerous for the U.S. to fight these people so half-heartedly, letting them keep control of whole cities. They have even more resources than the jihadists who attacked on 9/11 had to hatch that plot, and we are letting them have a sanctuary as safe as what they enjoyed in Afghanistan fifteen years ago. President Pinprick acts as if there were no urgent need to destroy these jihadists, and his nonchalance and fecklessness are putting Americans at risk of another major terrorist attack on our soil.
 
Ockham said:
Jordan has pretty good ties with the Arab League - I'm wondering if this will start nudging the league to start wanting to deal with ISIS. Let's see...
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Nah.....I don't think they will. Not unless ISIS comes at them directly.



Pakistan prepares for Saudi royal to hunt 'protected' birds

Pakistani authorities are finalising arrangements for a Saudi prince to visit its southwestern desert region to hunt the Houbara bustard, a bird supposedly protected by law, officials said Monday. Saudi Prince Fahd bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz is expected to join the group in coming days. He led a hunting party to Baluchistan last year that officials said killed more than 2,000 bustards.

The birds are listed as "vulnerable" and declining in numbers by the International Union for Conservation of Nature's "Red List" of threatened species. Hunting them is banned in Pakistan. But authorities issue special permits to wealthy visitors from Arab countries. Permit holders are in theory restricted to hunting a maximum of 100 of the protected birds over 10 days, but only in certain areas......snip~

Pakistan prepares for Saudi royal to hunt 'protected' birds


US should stop Syria not ISIS: Saudi prince.....

U.S. policymakers should concentrate on eliminating the threat posed by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad instead of Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria, according to an influential member of the Saudi Arabian royal family.


Prince Turki bin Faisal Al Saud told CNBC at the World Economic Forum in Davos that the reason why Islamic State exists is because of what's happening in Syria and has called on U.S. authorities including the government, the Central Intelligence Agency and the military to act.....snip~

US should stop Syria not ISIS: Saudi Prince.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Instead of putting hackers in jail, why not hack their accounts and start an internal war? Why not introduce some malware in the whole middle east network and shut them down now and then.

Wreak havoc any way you can, fight them where they are not and never show weakness....art of war
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The thing I am talking about doing is attacking the unity of ISIS as an country.

I don't think that the followers of ISIS have enough in common to survive potential infighting.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Instead of putting hackers in jail, why not hack their accounts and start an internal war? Why not introduce some malware in the whole middle east network and shut them down now and then.

Wreak havoc any way you can, fight them where they are not and never show weakness....art of war
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That is already being done.
 
matchlight said:
The U.S. should not allow jihadist war criminals to shelter in cities like Raqqa and Mosul. I am sure there are quite a few jihadist targets the U.S. has identified in these and other cities, but that it has decided not to bomb for fear of causing civilian casualties. That is a dangerous mistake, because it concedes to the jihadists a more-or-less permanent safe haven. If civilians are killed in the course of attacking war criminals who are sheltering among them, it is not the attackers who are responsible for their deaths under the laws of war, but the war criminals.

I have thought all along that the precision of modern weapons, and the eagerness to trumpet it as proof of how civilized and humane this country is, has worked against us. It has made very clear to Islamic jihadists that we are less concerned with destroying them than we are with preventing casualties among civilians. Apparently the hope is this exquisite caution will cause the "good" Muslims to realize how nice we Americans are and take our side. But if many of those people are more or less sympathetic to the jihadists, they will take this as nothing but weakness--a sign we are not determined to destroy our sworn enemies. They should be disabused of this idea--dramatically, and soon.

Of course I am not calling for intentional targeting of civilians--that is a war crime. But we should never rule any jihadist target in or near a city off limits just because bombing it might incidentally kill civilians. It is very dangerous for the U.S. to fight these people so half-heartedly, letting them keep control of whole cities. They have even more resources than the jihadists who attacked on 9/11 had to hatch that plot, and we are letting them have a sanctuary as safe as what they enjoyed in Afghanistan fifteen years ago. President Pinprick acts as if there were no urgent need to destroy these jihadists, and his nonchalance and fecklessness are putting Americans at risk of another major terrorist attack on our soil.
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If every citizen in an city aligned themselves with terrorists, then the city is fair game.
 
Fearandloathing said:
What does it say about Muslims who burn other Muslims then?
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It says that those Muslims want to deny their enemies heaven.

But it doesn't need to go so far. You can simply burn the bodies of ISIS soldiers killed in battle and get the same point across. But then a Radical Islamic Militant isn't a Muslim only until you desecrate their body in the eyes of Allah. :roll:

Flashback: The same president who now declares that Islamic Radicals are not Muslims was quick to point out that Osama Bin Laden's body was given "proper Muslim ceremony" when buried at sea?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
The thing I am talking about doing is attacking the unity of ISIS as an country.

I don't think that the followers of ISIS have enough in common to survive potential infighting.
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How does that affect those who became part of them in Libya, Afghanistan, Algeria, Tunisia, and in the Sinai?
 
MMC said:
How does that affect those who became part of them in Libya, Afghanistan, Algeria, Tunisia, and in the Sinai?
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Is it really allegiance, or is it opportunism?

Without strong leadership, the different groups within ISIS will start fighting amongst themselves.
 
jmotivator said:
It says that those Muslims want to deny their enemies heaven.

But it doesn't need to go so far. You can simply burn the bodies of ISIS soldiers killed in battle and get the same point across. But then a Radical Islamic Militant isn't a Muslim only until you desecrate their body in the eyes of Allah. :roll:

Flashback: The same president who now declares that Islamic Radicals are not Muslims was quick to point out that Osama Bin Laden's body was given "proper Muslim ceremony" when buried at sea?
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Was our fight with Osama bin laden motivated by what the man did? Or was it also about his religion?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
If every citizen in an city aligned themselves with terrorists, then the city is fair game.
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It would be even if many of the inhabitants of a city did not support them. That is exactly why it was not a war crime, for example, for the RAF to kill tens of thousands of civilians by bombing military targets in Hamburg, or for the U.S. to kill even more a few years later by bombing military targets in Tokyo. Certainly some of the people killed--children, for example--did not support the evil regimes involved.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Is it really allegiance, or is it opportunism?

Without strong leadership, the different groups within ISIS will start fighting amongst themselves.
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When they cite Sharia Law as part of their reasoning. What do you think it is?


We broke up AQ Primes leadership.....looked what they morphed into.
 
MMC said:
When they cite Sharia Law as part of their reasoning. What do you think it is?


We broke up AQ Primes leadership.....looked what they morphed into.
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Maybe the leader of ISIS considers himself the second coming of the prophet. Suppose if a rumor spreads about him saying that his 'caliphate" will be greater than the prophet?
 
cpwill said:
Well I hope they have the balls to follow through, or ISIS is going to assume that they can get away with whatever they like from here on out.
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Well the Jordanians are responding. Their King just cut his visit short here in Washington and his hurrying back home.


Jordan to execute jailed would-be bomber, jihadists.....


Jordan will execute Wednesday an Iraqi would-be suicide bomber on death row and other jihadists after having vowed to avenge the murder of a Jordanian pilot by Islamic State jihadists, an official said. "The sentence of death pending on... Iraqi Sajida al-Rishawi will be carried out at dawn," the security official said on Tuesday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"The death sentence will be carried out on a group of jihadists, starting with Rishawi, as well as Iraqi Al-Qaeda operative Ziad Karbuli and others who attacked Jordan's interests," the security source said. "Jordan's response will be earth-shattering," Information Minister Mohammed Momani said earlier on television, while the army and government vowed to avenge the pilot's murder......snip~

Jordan to execute jailed would-be bomber, jihadists
 
matchlight said:
It would be even if many of the inhabitants of a city did not support them. That is exactly why it was not a war crime, for example, for the RAF to kill tens of thousands of civilians by bombing military targets in Hamburg, or for the U.S. to kill even more a few years later by bombing military targets in Tokyo. Certainly some of the people killed--children, for example--did not support the evil regimes involved.
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Bombing cities is justified if the nation the cities belong to are enemy nations. ISIS does not fit into the terms of what we consider a "state" in the Westphalian sense.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Maybe the leader of ISIS considers himself the second coming of the prophet. Suppose if a rumor spreads about him saying that his 'caliphate" will be greater than the prophet?
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He has already told the Saud he is next in line with Ascension. Moreover his plan is to be greater than their alleged Prophet.
 
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